What do you do in a school that has metal detectors and gangs?
Move to BelAir, as previous posters have said.
I guess we are working on a premise of a lack of weapons or gang mentality. If those are in the equation, all bets are off.
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I have a buddy whose kids got bullied. He threatened the kids dad.....and that was the end of that.
My dad refused to do that, he figured I should figure out how to deal with it. He figured if he had to get involved then I might as well become the daughter that he always wanted.
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i would also assume that silence by the peer group also enables the bully to some degree.
i hope that niether one of my kids will have to deal with extreme bullying - i can't imagine how the parents of a child who commits suicide to escape bullying feel.
as an aside, i don't beleive i have ever read anything from the bullies perspective when it comes to the extreme cases - i wonder if they change thier ways after the victim commits suicide.
i wonder if kelly ellard is still living in a dream world where she pretends that she never had anything to do with the death of reena virk as the last i read ellard was on her fifth appeal.
Get some of these friggen kids away from their XBOX Live, and in some organized sports or other activities. If they weren't on a the friggen computer/XBOX 18 hours a day they likely wouldn't be getting bullied much because msot of today's bullies don't have the nads to actually do it to someone's face.
When I was school, bullying was always physical or acts of initimidation. Now that was something to complain about, but even than usually if the kid being bullied would just man up and fight back it ended on the spot. I could not be intimidated physically, so they'd try to say something about my weight (I was a little hefty). First one that did it in high school, got their face blastered all over a locker, and it never happened again.
School is a strange combination of Lord of the Flies and prison. Basically, if you take from anyone the other kids will see this and you will automatically become a future target for bullying. Essentially, if a kid gets picked on by anyone he/she needs to lay an ass whoopin on the other kid. It's the only real way to make sure it doesn't happen again.
My dad refused to do that, he figured I should figure out how to deal with it. He figured if he had to get involved then I might as well become the daughter that he always wanted.
And we all know how well that worked, don't we Nancy-boy
School is a strange combination of Lord of the Flies and prison. Basically, if you take from anyone the other kids will see this and you will automatically become a future target for bullying. Essentially, if a kid gets picked on by anyone he/she needs to lay an ass whoopin on the other kid. It's the only real way to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I'm pretty sure that if you took a bunch of hardened criminals and let them observe a typical school yard the only thing they would say is
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I could not be intimidated physically, so they'd try to say something about my weight (I was a little hefty). First one that did it in high school, got their face blastered all over a locker, and it never happened again.
Haha this actually isn't a that bad of a point. Maybe you have to catch these things quick. As a kid gets bullied over a long period of time, I imagine it wears away at their will somewhat to the point where they become less capable of defending themselves.
Get some of these friggen kids away from their XBOX Live, and in some organized sports or other activities.
this alone would solve SO many of the problems plaguing the youth of north america these days. they live such imbalanced lifestyles.
i go visit family in other parts of the world, and the kids are busy with school (where doing well is actually a requirement), and play or train in some sort of sporting activity and/or music, and by the time that's done, sure watch some tv (play ur xbox) but by that time, it's a 1 hour activity daily (exactly what it should be).
still you can't blame the kids...a large ratio of parents just don't know what their kids are doing, are needing, are troubled with to even help.
heck, if half these kids' parents would take the time to sit with their kids to see how their doing with their homework, dropping off their pre-teens off to the mall/movies, etc, they'd know how the development is going academically, as well as socially.
And has been pointed out, not every kid or person has it in them to stand up to bullies. Should there be no help for those kids? Just let them commit suicide? Is teaching them to go against their nature and fight back the only reasonable answer?
I don't buy this.
Everyone is capable of courage, and it can be taught.
this alone would solve SO many of the problems plaguing the youth of north america these days. they live such imbalanced lifestyles.
i go visit family in other parts of the world, and the kids are busy with school (where doing well is actually a requirement), and play or train in some sort of sporting activity and/or music, and by the time that's done, sure watch some tv (play ur xbox) but by that time, it's a 1 hour activity daily (exactly what it should be).
still you can't blame the kids...a large ratio of parents just don't know what their kids are doing, are needing, are troubled with to even help.
heck, if half these kids' parents would take the time to sit with their kids to see how their doing with their homework, dropping off their pre-teens off to the mall/movies, etc, they'd know how the development is going academically, as well as socially.
I don't blame the kids either. I blame the parents. My little cousin was sat infront of a video game system since he was 4 years old because his parents were too damn lazy to do anything with him, and were more concerned about spending money on elaborate vacations and cars (so his mother could yack to the other women on lunch) than actually spending that money on sending their child to sport camps, piano lessons, etc. Her favorite words were " Hockey is too expensive, he doesn't like it anywayds". Funny thing was though that he played it on his video game non-stop and would always want me to play mini-hockey with him in the basement.
This kid is virtually socially ######ed, and today at 14-15 years old i'm sure he'd start crying on the spot if someone took away his video games. It's all he knows through no fault of his own.
And imagine this, he gets picked on at school...... Wonder Why?
I was as spoilted as they come growing up. I had every video game and system on the planet. I didn't play them 18 hours a day though. I spent the majority of my days/nights playing baseball/hockey/football with my friends. We only really used them when it rained, and if he started using them too much my mother would essentially kick us out of the house to do something more constructive.
ALthough I gave that example above, I personally rarely got picked on (only when I moved schools did a surface for a week or two until it was remedied). I knew every bully in town. I had played baseball, hockey, and football with him. They weren't nice kids, and I didn't associate with them, but we knew each other through other activities, and that was enough that they'd leave you alone. The reason this was the case was that at one point at some time in our life we were teammates, and even if just a little, they respected that.
I don't blame the kids either. I blame the parents. My little cousin was sat infront of a video game system since he was 4 years old because his parents were too damn lazy to do anything with him, and were more concerned about spending money on elaborate vacations (so she could yack to the other women at work about where sher went) than actually spending that money on sending their child to sport camps, piano lessons, etc.
This kid is virtually socially ######ed, and today at 14-15 years old i'm sure he'd start crying on the spot if someone took away his video games. It's all he knows through no fault of his own.
that's exactly what i'm talking about. it's so sad to see.
Throwing my 2 cents in with responsible parenting. Making sure your kids have enough confidence to stick up for themselves, and morally centered enough to know when they're doing something wrong. Also being involved in their lives so you know when you need to step in. So many of the news reports have the same ring of "I had no idea ____ was going on" from the parents of both sides.
The prospect of raising kids frightens me after sharing c-trains with the youth of a few generations down from me. Is the Human race getting dumber, or am I just headed towards the "darn kids, stay off my lawn" age?
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I guess wearing a black trenchcoat to school every day would stop that. Also carry some John Woo white doves and no one will ever pick on you ever again.
Throwing my 2 cents in with responsible parenting. Making sure your kids have enough confidence to stick up for themselves, and morally centered enough to know when they're doing something wrong. Also being involved in their lives so you know when you need to step in. So many of the news reports have the same ring of "I had no idea ____ was going on" from the parents of both sides.
The prospect of raising kids frightens me after sharing c-trains with the youth of a few generations down from me. Is the Human race getting dumber, or am I just headed towards the "darn kids, stay off my lawn" age?
i'm still in my 20s (mind you very late 20s now), but am absolutely astonished at the idiocy and pure nonsense preteens/teens ramble out.
it doesn't help when they are talking to people with one headphone of their ipod out, and i can hear lil john, or soldier boy being played :P
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Get some of these friggen kids away from their XBOX Live, and in some organized sports or other activities. If they weren't on a the friggen computer/XBOX 18 hours a day they likely wouldn't be getting bullied much because msot of today's bullies don't have the nads to actually do it to someone's face.
Because bullying was completely non-existent before the advent of computers and video games. Problem solved.
I agree with you 100% that getting out there and involved in other activities is VERY important, and could help a lot, but I'm not convinced it's the magic bullet solution to bullying.
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I don't buy this.
Everyone is capable of courage, and it can be taught.
Everyone is capable of courage, but not everyone is capable of the same level of courage. And it can be taught, so what of the kids who aren't taught? Maybe their parents never were taught. Let them kill themselves then?
Heck, why do we have laws? All we need is courage to stand up to people who break the law and assault and kill other people. Let everyone just fight it out, welcome to the jungle, no need for anything other than might makes right.
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