The Prince of Pot Extradited

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Pinner

People who grow for trafficking don't grow from seed, they grow from cuttings (clones)

I've read that its not exclusive to cuttings.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by peter12

What a way to live life! What a loser.

I thought he was ill.

??

[peter12]

I do find it annoying that the Vancouver Police acted on behalf of the American DEA.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Pinner

People who grow for trafficking don't grow from seed, they grow from cuttings (clones)

Trafficking by the most simplest letter of the law is selling a controlled substance, so its not that hard to be a "trafficker".

And though I agree, the majority of traffickers will grow from cuttings, there is still a percentage that use straight seeds.

[Agamemnon]

I find it interesting how many people's moral codes are lifted directly from the legal code. As though society and the justice system never promote and prosecute stupid laws.

If something is against the law, is it inherently and morally wrong? And if so, how does the impact of significant legal change fit in to that line of thought (like the elimination of segregation laws)?

Sending someone to jail for something like this is, imo, totally immoral. Jails are disgusting, brutal places, and should be reserved for disgusting, brutal people. I find it wierd when people rally up and ra-ra to support the law, 'because it's the law', as though they can't think for themselves.

[Huntingwhale]

Noooooooo!!! My personal Jesus has been taken away!!! Thoughts and prayers to all the tokers out there.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I thought he was ill.

??

Nope, my bad.

But you couldn't argue he suffered from the stoner's lack of motivation.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I am diappointed that whoever facilitated this on the Canadian side.....bent over backwards to please American law agencies.

Get a back bone Canada!

Hopefully this guy doesn't get too much time for selling something so completely harmless.

[peter12]

You wouldn't have to be a weenie about it either. Just say, he broke your laws, take him down if he enters your country. Unless there was some other reciprocal, mutual back-scratching arrangement, then I could understand it.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Sending someone to jail for something like this is, imo, totally immoral. Jails are disgusting, brutal places, and should be reserved for disgusting, brutal people. I find it wierd when people rally up and ra-ra to support the law, 'because it's the law', as though they can't think for themselves.

I find it interesting who think that just because something is moral and doesn't agree with the criminal code that they should get away with it

To be fair, its no surprise to anyone that marijuana laws are still enforced and probably much more so in the states than here. I can't say I have much sympathy for someone who knowingly breaks them and than complains when he's going to do jail time.

Whether or not you agree with it, the law is still in place. It isn't about people being moral, its about people accepting the fact that its against the law and you may/will do the penalty associated it with if you're found guilty.

[Jayems]

What about the money laundering? What's up with that?

(I honestly don't know).

Is this more about the pot?

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Sending someone to jail for something like this is, imo, totally immoral. Jails are disgusting, brutal places, and should be reserved for disgusting, brutal people.

Particularly US jails !

[Frank MetaMusil]

All he should have said was "I didn't inhale" and then the American justice system would have looked the other way......

[CaptainCrunch]

Looking him up the guy sold about $1.6 million dollars worth of business down there. Its not like he's selling little packets to me, he had to have sold some bulk shipments.

And lets seperate the moral from the law. We don't like the moral ramifications of drug laws in asiatic countries. But you know that if you break them, your in big trouble.

Its the same here, and in this case the government agreed with the U.S. position that he should go and face justice there. Emery basically waived the red flag in the DEA's face and they put together a good enough case to justify extradition. Its just how it works.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jayems

What about the money laundering? What's up with that?

(I honestly don't know).

Is this more about the pot?

I think it had to do with him funneling money to U.S. anti-drug law groups, without accounting for it.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Whether or not you agree with it, the law is still in place. It isn't about people being moral, its about people accepting the fact that its against the law and you may/will do the penalty associated it with if you're found guilty.

He was motivated to do this to change the law.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I find it interesting who think that just because something is moral and doesn't agree with the criminal code that they should get away with it

To be fair, its no surprise to anyone that marijuana laws are still enforced and probably much more so in the states than here. I can't say I have much sympathy for someone who knowingly breaks them and than complains when he's going to do jail time.

Whether or not you agree with it, the law is still in place. It isn't about people being moral, its about people accepting the fact that its against the law and you may/will do the penalty associated it with if you're found guilty.

Well... who wants to talk about what the law is? That would be a short conversation. For the purpose of discussion on a message board, I'm far more interested in why people think a law is valid. I hear the 'well, the law is the law' argument all the time... I just don't really respect it.

If everyone just bought in to 'the law is the law and that's the end of it', laws would never change. We also wouldn't need many trials.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Pinner

He was motivated to do this to change the law.

Well...how did that work out for him?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Pinner

He was motivated to do this to change the law.

Then the best thing for him to do is to go down to the states and defend himself vigorously.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Well... who wants to talk about what the law is? That would be a short conversation. For the purpose of discussion on a message board, I'm far more interested in why people think a law is valid. I hear the 'well, the law is the law' argument all the time... I just don't really respect it.

If everyone just bought in to 'the law is the law and that's the end of it', laws would never change. We also wouldn't need many trials.

I was more speaking tongue in cheek but its hard to make Emery some sort of martyr or trailblazer when he's the slammer.

Unfortunately, for the courts, they don't discuss the morality or the validty of the law, they discuss the elements of the offence...and the law. They may set case law and precedent, but there are different channels to change the written law. I'm all for questioning laws and making them appropiate to the times we live in...but I'm also for doing that through the proper passages and not essentially spitting in the face of them to prove a point. Its a shame that its a bunch of pot heads and stoners trying to legislate change...I'm sure if they had somewhat of a competent leader they may be able to lobby some changes.