HBO's The Pacific

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Pacific is to Band of Brothers

as

Pearl Harbour is to Saving Private Ryan

Please.

Pacific is to Band of Brothers

as

The Thin Red Line is to Saving Private Ryan.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

If you don't get The Pacific thats fine. All arguments aside, the quality is anything but poor.

Agreed, personally i like it more than BoB but probably because I'm a war nut and the european theater has been overdone compared to the pacific.

The Japanese were crazy in those days and I suspect this series will show us just how devoted they really were to their emperor and cause.

[Fugly]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

Please.

Pacific is to Band of Brothers

as

The Thin Red Line is to Saving Private Ryan.

That's a great comparison. Minus the first incredible 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, I think Thin Red Line was a better movie.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Fugly

That's a great comparison. Minus the first incredible 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, I think Thin Red Line was a better movie.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more.

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by Fugly

That's a great comparison. Minus the first incredible 30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, I think Thin Red Line was a better movie.

Really?! I thought the Thin Red Line absolutely sucked, and I usually like ALL war movies.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Mayer

Really?! I thought the Thin Red Line absolutely sucked, and I usually like ALL war movies.

same, i couldn't even finish watching the whole thing since it was so boring. for a war movie it certainly didn't show a whole helluva lot of war

[JBTrio]

Was able to get up close and personal with the whole set, when they were doing all the filming in Melbourne. Was in & out of the sets delivering equipment, i was able to witness the coming together of the whole thing.

It's very interesting when you actually sit back & watch the show, and try to put together all the different scenes. After watching them build the massive ship down at Docklands studio & then put together a war scene down at the You Yangs State Park, was amazing.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by T@T

The Japanese were crazy in those days and I suspect this series will show us just how devoted they really were to their emperor and cause.

When the Japanese invaded Hong Kong they had such disdain for the basically untrained Canadian soldiers they took as POW they just let them starve... RIP

[Ducay]

Finally, tonight's ep was the first that even began to touch on the awesome-ness of BoB.

Solid ep, none of that chick-flick garbage.

[Hemi-Cuda]

yep, this is where the series shines. but man was that war ever brutal, the European theater we saw in BoB looks tame in comparison. i was also quite surprised with how cowardly the Japanese acted, using suicide bombers and hiding among civilians. they were like the early form of Al-Qaeda

[GreenLantern]

Ya they basically did anything they could to win.. the US military estimated it would cost the lives of over 500,000 soldiers to take the island of Japan.

That is why it was nuked.


Also, after the fact they found out they had drastically under estimated the man power fortifying the Japanese islands, and the casualties would have been somewhere around 1,000,000 American soldiers. This was after though, not initial estimates. Just like pretty much every other island in the Pacific front, the Japanese held their cards very close to their chest and kept military intelligence guessing.

Many, many men died as a result of poor judgment from command... the Japanese greatest weapon in WW2 was secrecy.

Last nights episode shows you the "bravery" of the Japanese soldier.

I wish somehow they could have fit in an episode about the Bataan Death March... but I guess that just wouldn't mesh.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

[3 Justin 3]

I also thought Part 9 was the best of the series. Too bad next weeks episode will be about the return home. Quite frankly I could care less as I have about no emotion for any of them. With BoB I wanted to know what happened to all of the guys at the end, I really have no desire for them in The Pacific.

I think my expectations were just too high for the series to begin with.

[Roof-Daddy]

The biggest difference I've noticed between BoB and The Pacific, is the comradery between the soldiers BoB was much more evident for whatever reason. I guess they called it "Band of Brothers" for a very good reason. It sure made it alot easier for me to get attached to the soldiers in BoB, and as 3 Justin 3 said got you more emotionally connected to the series as a whole.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The biggest difference I've noticed between BoB and The Pacific, is the comradery between the soldiers BoB was much more evident for whatever reason. I guess they called it "Band of Brothers" for a very good reason. It sure made it alot easier for me to get attached to the soldiers in BoB, and as 3 Justin 3 said got you more emotionally connected to the series as a whole.

Probably because they were two completely different wars. Hard to gain that camaraderie when everyone you know is dying around you. I think the series is called The Pacific for a reason. The Pacific theatre of war is the main character and all the actors in it are just bit players.

[burn_baby_burn]

Finally found the time to watch this weeks episode. Very moving. This series has really tried to portray the horrors of the Pacific Theater. We can watch all the documentaries, movies, or TV shows about the war. Read countless books filled with pictures and I think it still doesn't give the sense of how horrible it actually was for these men.

Snafu and Sledge are two totally different people. Different backgrounds, different attitudes, different values. Yet through the shared experience of the Pacific Theater with the 1st Marines. They are one in the same.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

Probably because they were two completely different wars. Hard to gain that camaraderie when everyone you know is dying around you. I think the series is called The Pacific for a reason. The Pacific theatre of war is the main character and all the actors in it are just bit players.

Exactly. This is the last comparison I'll make between the two because I'm beyond sick of reading it in this thread, but its not like they tried the same camaraderie formula as BoB in Pacific and failed, but rather they took a whole other direction entirely. Yes I understand two 10 part mini-series about WWII done by the same people opens it up to comparison, but you just have to realize it was purposely done differently.

I mean how many times in Pacific, aside from the first couple episodes, have you seen the guys horsing around and bonding? In BoB it was pretty much every episode. In Pacific, its been non-existent. Because that's not the point of this one. If you don't like it, fine. But just realize it wasn't trying to be BoB, which I think many of you were hoping for. BoB seemed to glorify the battles - and soldiers - more. Kind of like a Rememberance Day heroes thing. Pacific meanwhile seems to paint war in a much more negative light. It focuses mainly on the emotional and psychological toll it takes on the individual soldier.

Anyway, I agree that I think the last one will be a little dull(as was BoB). I was hoping they'd save the H-bombs for the last episode and it'd be a main theme, but I think that passing remark about it at the end of the last episode(when the one guy said "Hey I hear they dropped some new bomb that wiped out an entire Jap city") will be all we get on it. Probably will just show them returning to their families and seeing how much they've changed, etc. Should still be decent though.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Anyway, I agree that I think the last one will be a little dull(as was BoB). I was hoping they'd save the H-bombs for the last episode and it'd be a main theme, but I think that passing remark about it at the end of the last episode(when the one guy said "Hey I hear they dropped some new bomb that wiped out an entire Jap city") will be all we get on it. Probably will just show them returning to their families and seeing how much they've changed, etc. Should still be decent though.

If they end this series with the soldiers playing baseball with the sun setting I will be pissed.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

If they end this series with the soldiers playing baseball with the sun setting I will be pissed.

haha

just end it with a game between easy company and the 1st marines

[CaptainCrunch]

I just finished reading a book on the marine invasion of Iwo Jima.

It was such an alien war to the American's who were more used to what seemed like a gentlemanly combat in Europe against the German's regular army units. Also because of the geography and time spent with your platoon or company you could get to know people.

The Pacific theatre was completely different. First and foremost the land invasions were brutal because of teh fanatical nature of the Japanes troops so the American's soaked up mass casualties. The American's just kept pluggng soliders in as they became available.

Also because of the smaller geography these guys were constantly fighting and dying, there was no time to talk about the family back home, or talk about sports, all you heard was the screaming of the next approaching wave.

Men also became burned out, jungle fighting for example can be way more intimidating then city fighting. These men were all burned out after even a day or two in that junk.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Exactly. This is the last comparison I'll make between the two because I'm beyond sick of reading it in this thread, but its not like they tried the same camaraderie formula as BoB in Pacific and failed, but rather they took a whole other direction entirely. Yes I understand two 10 part mini-series about WWII done by the same people opens it up to comparison, but you just have to realize it was purposely done differently.

I mean how many times in Pacific, aside from the first couple episodes, have you seen the guys horsing around and bonding? In BoB it was pretty much every episode. In Pacific, its been non-existent. Because that's not the point of this one. If you don't like it, fine. But just realize it wasn't trying to be BoB, which I think many of you were hoping for. BoB seemed to glorify the battles - and soldiers - more. Kind of like a Rememberance Day heroes thing. Pacific meanwhile seems to paint war in a much more negative light. It focuses mainly on the emotional and psychological toll it takes on the individual soldier.

Anyway, I agree that I think the last one will be a little dull(as was BoB). I was hoping they'd save the H-bombs for the last episode and it'd be a main theme, but I think that passing remark about it at the end of the last episode(when the one guy said "Hey I hear they dropped some new bomb that wiped out an entire Jap city") will be all we get on it. Probably will just show them returning to their families and seeing how much they've changed, etc. Should still be decent though.

It will pretty much be par for the course with this giant let down of a series if that comment is all we get on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.