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Old 05-06-2010, 10:25 PM   #21
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Speaking of the Abacus, I remember watching the local Vancouver news many years ago where they had a race between an abacus and a new fangled adding machine. The Chinese man running the abacus won to the embarrassment of the secretary on the adding machine.

I think the reason the adding machine wins out in the end is the ease of use. I don't know anything about HTML but as long as Flash is the easiest to use and has the most options, it will be popular. Flash isn't standing still either, their beta version 10.1 is what is making these new devices able to run youtube.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2876
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:20 PM   #22
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HTML is probably the single easiest thing on the planet, in terms of "code." It isn't even code, it's just a markup language. I think they teach it in Grade 6 now.

Also, YouTube is working on quite a few handheld devices right now, and not one of them uses Flash to do it.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:11 PM   #23
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HTML is probably the single easiest thing on the planet, in terms of "code." It isn't even code, it's just a markup language. I think they teach it in Grade 6 now.
That doesn't mean HTML5 is "easy", if that's what you're implying.

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Also, YouTube is working on quite a few handheld devices right now, and not one of them uses Flash to do it.
HTML5 does a pretty good job with video. There's a lot of other Flash functionality that HTML5 does not replace, however -- at least not yet. You can't just go out and replace every Flash site with HTML5, even assuming you had the time and money to do so.

I think its a bit misleading that companies, of which Apple is the loudest voice, are touting HTML5 as this magical silver bullet that can kill Flash. I want to see Flash die too. I'd much rather it be replaced with an open, non-proprietary, standardized format, but HTML5 isn't the answer to everything. We're still going to be stuck with Flash for a while.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:13 PM   #24
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As I understand it HTML and HTML5 are slightly different animals are they not? I've never looked into HTML5 but would be curious.
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As I understand it HTML and HTML5 are slightly different animals are they not? I've never looked into HTML5 but would be curious.
Indeed.

HTML5 can still be used as a markup language (the M in HTML), but it also adds scripting APIs, which enables a lot of new functionality (like video playback, for one example).

It adds a ton of new functionality, and it will be interesting to see what people can do with it.
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Ohhh. Cool, I had no idea. I'd just assumed it was nothing more than a bunch of new markup tags.

I stand corrected, thanks man. I'm even more interested in it now.
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Ohhh. Cool, I had no idea. I'd just assumed it was nothing more than a bunch of new markup tags.

I stand corrected, thanks man. I'm even more interested in it now.
It does have an enormous amount of potential, but its still in a pretty early stage and is still pretty buggy from what I understand.

Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent summary of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:19 PM   #28
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Local Web storage is HUGE.

http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-webstorage-20091222/

<label>
<input type="checkbox" onchange="sessionStorage.insurance = checked">
I want insurance on this trip.
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if (sessionStorage.insurance) { ... }


Even a graphics slug like me can understand this.
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:44 PM   #29
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Local Web storage is HUGE.

http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-webstorage-20091222/

<label>
<input type="checkbox" onchange="sessionStorage.insurance = checked">
I want insurance on this trip.
</label>




if (sessionStorage.insurance) { ... }


Even a graphics slug like me can understand this.
After a day spent doing jQuery code to handle form submissions, this example makes me ridiculously happy. Too bad it won't realistically be put into practice till 2018 or so.
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:22 AM   #30
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I'm wondering... why the long wait-time? If I remember correctly, HTML4 didn't take that long to adopt did it? I remember 4 coming out almost the same year as 3.2. In fact, I've seen all four major versions, from HTML to HTML4, and I've only been doing this stuff since 96. So... 14 years to go from 1 to 4, but 8 years to go from 4 to 5?

I don't get it.
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I'm wondering... why the long wait-time? If I remember correctly, HTML4 didn't take that long to adopt did it? I remember 4 coming out almost the same year as 3.2. In fact, I've seen all four major versions, from HTML to HTML4, and I've only been doing this stuff since 96. So... 14 years to go from 1 to 4, but 8 years to go from 4 to 5?

I don't get it.
More diverse range of devices/platforms, larger installed user base, greater desire to get it right this time. (oh, and probably more consultants too )

See also: IPV6, 802.11n, etc.
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I couldn't give a damn about Flash or much else about Froyo ... but the portable wifi hotspot feature is soooooo awesome. I have my phone jailbroken to do that, but it's certainly not an ideal situation.
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I don't think the carriers are going to sit idly by and allow that for free for very long anyway. I expect when my Droid gets 2.2 it will either be disabled or pop up some kind of "Call Verizon ...and bring money!" message.
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I don't think the carriers are going to sit idly by and allow that for free for very long anyway. I expect when my Droid gets 2.2 it will either be disabled or pop up some kind of "Call Verizon ...and bring money!" message.
Then we'll just root it and bypass their stupid restrictions.
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I don't think the carriers are going to sit idly by and allow that for free for very long anyway. I expect when my Droid gets 2.2 it will either be disabled or pop up some kind of "Call Verizon ...and bring money!" message.
But I thought Android was open?



Sprint is allowing it now aren't they? Maybe Verizon will as well?
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Sprint is allowing it, for $30.

That's still a hell of a deal compared to paying for a $50+ a month 3G laptop plan though.
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