05-05-2010, 08:14 PM
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#81
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easter back on in Vancouver
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It really pisses me off that the Police hardly ever get involved with scams. A scammer is just as bad as a child molestor and people who litter.
Why should scammers be treated any different than thiefs? The construction industry is filled with people who are scam artists and never have to answer to the police for their crimes. Steal a fridge from the same house that just got ripped off $5,000 from a shady contractor and you will end up in jail, while the guy that just stole $5,000 will only end up in Civil Court.
Crazy world we live in.
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05-05-2010, 08:24 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck
It really pisses me off that the Police hardly ever get involved with scams. A scammer is just as bad as a child molestor and people who litter.
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Yep, taking people's money is just as bad as physically assaulting a child. Do you even read what you write?
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05-05-2010, 08:28 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Yep, taking people's money is just as bad as physically assaulting a child. Do you even read what you write?
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Read the thread with the old couple littering and you'll know what he/she's talking about.
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05-05-2010, 09:55 PM
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#84
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easter back on in Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
Yep, taking people's money is just as bad as physically assaulting a child. Do you even read what you write?
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Child molestation is physical assault?
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05-05-2010, 10:26 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck
Child molestation is physical assault?
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Well it is physical and it is assault.
Just sayin...
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05-05-2010, 10:37 PM
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#86
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First Line Centre
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Man - I don't know how these guys live with themselves. I guess some people live for nothing else but being Billy Big Balls. Really really sad.
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05-05-2010, 10:52 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Awesome, that's my MP.
This story just got A LOT more interesting.
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05-05-2010, 11:01 PM
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#88
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Easter back on in Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Rathji
Well it is physical and it is assault.
Just sayin...
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You know as well as I do what Physical assault means. Michael Jackson wasn't arrested for Physical Assault.
Anyways I hope these scammers get jail time.
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05-06-2010, 02:55 AM
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#89
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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I'm just going to assume that Rob Anders is part of all this too.
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05-06-2010, 09:27 AM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by puckluck
You know as well as I do what Physical assault means. Michael Jackson wasn't arrested for Physical Assault.
Anyways I hope these scammers get jail time.
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Doesn't matter.
You still to compare taking people's money to molesting a child?
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05-06-2010, 09:29 AM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Originally Posted by ken0042
Yeah, until the gov't mandates a $500 mortgage fee so banks can send out an appraser for each and every deal.
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Crooked appraisers are in on the deal too.
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05-06-2010, 10:13 AM
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#92
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by calculoso
It's really a shame that Cavanagh didn't get the nomination when he went up against Shory back in 2008.
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There was all sorts of crooked going-on's in that vote as well. This Shory just seemed like a major crook back then, that is why I never voted for him.
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05-06-2010, 10:25 AM
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Franchise Player
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Anybody find the list of people that are being linked to this? It would be interesting to see . . .
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05-06-2010, 10:27 AM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...493/story.html
The RCMP has received a complaint and is weighing the evidence before deciding whether to launch a criminal investigation, said Staff Sgt. Dale Glydon of the commercial crime section in Calgary.
Court documents obtained by the Herald allege 14 business groups -- in some cases assisted by BMO employees -- set up the so-called straw buyer frauds.
Lawyer Michael Bondar, who is named as the lawyer on record for 52 mortgages, said he hadn't seen the paperwork either.
Also named in the lawsuit are four BMO employees who worked at the Shawnessy, Chinook and Brentwood branches in Calgary.
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05-06-2010, 03:06 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Probably stuck driving someone somewhere
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During question period, according to CBC radio, the gov't responded that the accusations against the MP "are a civil matter and not an issue of concern (to the gov't)" or something of the sorts.
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05-06-2010, 03:10 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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It sounds like the lawyers named are not accused of fraud, but of negligence. In other words, they were not actively part of the scheme, but may not have done enough to protect BMO.
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05-06-2010, 03:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Originally Posted by troutman
It sounds like the lawyers named are not accused of fraud, but of negligence. In other words, they were not actively part of the scheme, but may not have done enough to protect BMO.
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Sharks always try to avoid eating other sharks.
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05-06-2010, 03:19 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
Sharks always try to avoid eating other sharks.
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The important thing for BMO is lawyers have negligence insurance.
There must be some onus on BMO too, in not appraising these properties?
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05-06-2010, 04:45 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mahogany, aka halfway to Lethbridge
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Woohoo, I'm safe!!
Anyway, from what I have been reading most of the lawyers named are not being accused of being complicit in the fraud, but rather negligent in not reporting indicia of fraud that BMO feels they should have been aware of. So potentially more an indictment of competency rather than ethics.
Seeing some of the names on the list, it doesn't necessarily shock me. I wish I could tell my law school story about one of the named parties, but it might get someone else in trouble (who really shouldn't get in trouble because it was an accident we even found out) so I can't. Let's just say, for one of these Defendants, this isn't even the first time they've been implicated in a series of questionable dealings and had their competency scathingly questioned.
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05-06-2010, 04:48 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mahogany, aka halfway to Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by troutman
http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...493/story.html
The RCMP has received a complaint and is weighing the evidence before deciding whether to launch a criminal investigation, said Staff Sgt. Dale Glydon of the commercial crime section in Calgary.
Court documents obtained by the Herald allege 14 business groups -- in some cases assisted by BMO employees -- set up the so-called straw buyer frauds.
Lawyer Michael Bondar, who is named as the lawyer on record for 52 mortgages, said he hadn't seen the paperwork either.
Also named in the lawsuit are four BMO employees who worked at the Shawnessy, Chinook and Brentwood branches in Calgary.
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I have it on good authority that the RCMP has been investigating several of the named Defendants for several months already and a number have long since been interviewed by the RCMP.
Some were principals and lawyers behind at least one of the failed high-rise condo projects downtown.
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