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How could Kate and Sawyer be Adam and Eve? They would have had to die long before the Losties first crashed and discovered them in the caves?
The island is no longer skipping through time.
But it could, it already has and it could again if they went to spin the wheel of fortune again. It's just a guess that's all and I'm sure I'll be wrong. I just want to know who they are.
At this point, I really don't see a way that any of the 815ers are either Adam or Eve. There's 4 hours left ... having the island skipping through time, again, while needing to resolve ... well ... everything ... seems like needless complication, even for this show.
My thoughts
Part of the ending is Desmond and Widmore creating an electromagnetic event to bring the two realities back together.
I think that sends the island back in time to the beginning meaning that reality ends and alt reality continues and smokey is trapped forever in a time loop.
Now someone has to go back and become Jacob and sacrifice their future in the alt world. I agree that it ends with MIB and Jacob / new Jacob / Kid Jacob sitting with MIB saying how he will kill Jacob again this time and he will get free eventually.
About Adam and Eve, I believe someone previously mentioned it could be Rose and Bernard. For all we know, they are still alive and well, somewhere/sometime on the island. So, it could be them.
But, with the white and black stone, it would be more fitting if it was someone "good" and someone "evil".
Now, I'm trying to gather thoughts about the AR:
John's life was different in the AR. His accident was different, his relationship with his father is different, and Helen is still with him.
Jack's life is slightly different. I don't recall him having a kid in the original timeline.
Ben's life is obviously different (as well as Alex)
Sayid's life was different, as Nadia was alive in the AR
Sawyer and Miles are cops!
Hurley is now lucky instead of unlucky
However, as far I recall from the episodes this season:
Kate's story up until flight 815 is the same.
Claire seems to have lead the same life
Charlie is the same as ever
Jin and Sun seemed the same
Did I get something wrong? I'm thinking this idea is central to how the timelines will converge/ did diverge.
One thing that bugs me about the alternate reality is that John's father is the original "Sawyer" who conned our Sawyers (James) mom.
Since Sawyer was still looking for someone in Austrailia that means that Cooper still conned his mom yet for some reason befriended Locke rather than con him for the Kidney.
About Adam and Eve, I believe someone previously mentioned it could be Rose and Bernard. For all we know, they are still alive and well, somewhere/sometime on the island. So, it could be them.
But, with the white and black stone, it would be more fitting if it was someone "good" and someone "evil".
Now, I'm trying to gather thoughts about the AR:
John's life was different in the AR. His accident was different, his relationship with his father is different, and Helen is still with him.
Jack's life is slightly different. I don't recall him having a kid in the original timeline.
Ben's life is obviously different (as well as Alex)
Sayid's life was different, as Nadia was alive in the AR
Sawyer and Miles are cops!
Hurley is now lucky instead of unlucky
However, as far I recall from the episodes this season:
Kate's story up until flight 815 is the same.
Claire seems to have lead the same life
Charlie is the same as ever
Jin and Sun seemed the same
Did I get something wrong? I'm thinking this idea is central to how the timelines will converge/ did diverge.
I would say jin and sun are different. In the first reality they are in love and jin works for the dad, which makes sun fall out of love and in love with her english teacher. The dad knows all about Jin and Sun's relationship.
In the AR Jin and Sun are having an afair that the dad does not know about. They seem like they are actually in love, while in the first reality they fall in love again later on the island.
I would also add Desmond in there, as he seems pretty central to the whole thing. But yeah some characters getting the life they've always wanted is definitely key. As many seem to be punishing themselves despite the fact they have what they want.
I would say jin and sun are different. In the first reality they are in love and jin works for the dad, which makes sun fall out of love and in love with her english teacher. The dad knows all about Jin and Sun's relationship.
In the AR Jin and Sun are having an afair that the dad does not know about. They seem like they are actually in love, while in the first reality they fall in love again later on the island.
I would also add Desmond in there, as he seems pretty central to the whole thing. But yeah some characters getting the life they've always wanted is definitely key. As many seem to be punishing themselves despite the fact they have what they want.
Okay, I couldn't remember that in the original timeline Sun's dad knew of their relationship.
And yea, Desmond is certainly being presented as the key to everything.
One thing that bugs me about the alternate reality is that John's father is the original "Sawyer" who conned our Sawyers (James) mom.
Since Sawyer was still looking for someone in Austrailia that means that Cooper still conned his mom yet for some reason befriended Locke rather than con him for the Kidney.
Or maybe the accident happened before he could con Locke for the kidney. So Locke is feeling guilty about what he did to someone who was actually trying to con him.
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I would say jin and sun are different. In the first reality they are in love and jin works for the dad, which makes sun fall out of love and in love with her english teacher. The dad knows all about Jin and Sun's relationship.
In the AR Jin and Sun are having an afair that the dad does not know about. They seem like they are actually in love, while in the first reality they fall in love again later on the island.
Actually, in the AR Sun's father does know about the relationship but they don't know that he knows. That's why Jin had the money. It was payment to the hitman Sun's father hired to kill him.
Kate is different as well: the person she killed in the AR is not the same person as in the original version and the way the person died is different as well. Fuzzy on the details though.
I must have missed this Adam and Eve, what is this theory and where is it coming from?
In the first season, they find two skeletons in a cave. One is a man and one is a woman. Sicne time travel has already been shown to exist, the idea is that two losties travel back in time and become those skeletons.
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I thought I would bump this since tonight was pivotal episode, where we finally got answers.
Locke was not lying at one time he was just a man, and all he wants is to leave the Island.
You could consider that at one time MIB and Jacob were both candidates to take over from "their mother" Jacob was selected.
That the mission is to protect the energy source, if something happens to it, it sounds like all life dies.
We now know how MIB became smokey after he was tossed into the energy. There goes the theory that he can be trapped by the electronmagnetic energy.
MIB isn't really evil as Jacob states, he's desperate and angry at his mothers betrayal and murder of the humans on the Island. He's probably jaded.
We now know what the inside joke is for the white and black rocks.
Most importantly we learned who Adam and Eve were.
Jacob's mother knew that she was going to die, she made sure she had a replacement. This is similar to Jacob looking for a replacement. As long as there are candidates I think MIB is trapped.
Over all an excellent episode with a lot of backstory.
Two episodes left people.
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I'm on pins and needles. This last episode showed me smokey isn't totally evil, he just has a different mind set. Is one episode before the finale enough to show why the island is why it is? Why it is bringing people in?
the "light" thing sort of lost me there tonight, anyone care to elaborate?
I'm on pins and needles. This last episode showed me smokey isn't totally evil, he just has a different mind set. Is one episode before the finale enough to show why the island is why it is? Why it is bringing people in?
the "light" thing sort of lost me there tonight, anyone care to elaborate?
I think Smokey is evil. The writers even put out an interview after last week's ep saying he was definitively evil. I don't think they, having known what they wrote for this week's episode, would repeatedly state that he was evil if they didn't think he was evil.
The Man in Black is not evil, though. Smokey, the being born out of Jacob pushing his brother into the electromagnetism, is evil. How? I thought they put forth a lovely concept of evil tonight.
Smokey is evil because the brother is gone. Smokey isn't the Man in Black. Smokey was born of no positive feelings, of no love or compassion. It was born of bitterness, hatred, anger, suffering, nothing to temper that. Therefore, not just 'bad' as The Man in Black's people were, but evil.
Locke was not lying at one time he was just a man, and all he wants is to leave the Island.
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We now know how MIB became smokey after he was tossed into the energy. There goes the theory that he can be trapped by the electronmagnetic energy.
Is Smokey really the MIB? Or did Smokey just escape from the light using the MIB and then assumed his form, just like he assumed Locke's form? How can he be the MIB when the MIB is Adam?
