Avatar was a great experience....The Hurt Locker wasn't!
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Suck it up you ######s, sometimes going with the obvious isn't a bad thing, Avatar broke every sales record for a reason...why do people feel the need to try to be different? do you feel cool going against the grain? do you feel your a bonafide movie critic and expert if you "say no" to the highest grossing film ever?
I was disapointed at Hurtlocker, it was meh! at best and didn't hold a candle to the HBO gulf war series Generation Kill.
I think Cameron should have got director just because he got the thing made, by all accounts if not for him a good chunk of the tech wouldn't have been developed. I think the acadamy was just trying to look intellectual.
Well, considering that many Academy voters don't even see the movies in question and just base their voting on bribery and who advertises the most it shouldn't be a surprise if the deserved winner didn't win.
The academy awards are such a joke it is absolutely unbelievable. May as well watch the teen choice awards to see who deserves best actor.
...the new Star Wars trilogy. Special effects orgy with no substance. Course, there's a lot of reasons a lot of people didn't like those movies.
I believe he was talking about the original trilogy. There really is very little reason to talk about the two Star Wars trilogies as if they were one, since they actually have surprisingly little in common except the names of people and places.
The new trilogy is just much worse in every way in comparison to the old one (and it's not like the Return of the Jedi was really a masterpiece in moviemaking). It looks worse (more sterile, less believable, hence less immersive), it has worse acting and a plot that manages to be at the same time too complicated to follow and too obviously stupid to buy into.
I hate Star Wars, any incarnation of it. But if you really want my opinion, what made the original movie the best was that it was Lucas acting out on his childhood dreams and trying to make a homage to the movies he grew up with. He was making those movies for himself.
A lot of people seem to miss this but the whole thing is a homage to flash gordon and WWII movies. That's why you get the flash gordon scrolling text at the beginning, you get old 1940s style screen wipes between scenes. The Empire are nazis and the whole Millenium Falcon shooting Tie-Fighters scene is copied straight out of WWII bomber movies where gunners would sit in turrets shooting at the Luftwaffe almost shot for shot. He thought kids growing up in the 70s nolonger had things like this with myth and fantasy and action like he grew up with and it was a shame. It's basically the same story with Indiana Jones. It's all an homage to 1940s film noir, action movies, comic books, etc.
Then Lucas got old and ######ed and I don't know what he was thinking. Sudden success screwed over what was once a struggling and talented director and even by 1983 he started making his movies toward his image of what kids would want to see and not what he wanted to see (has anyone seen Howard the Duck?). That's why you get silly things like the Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks and all of the new trilogy etc. I think he was already spoiled by success and Empire Strikes Back only turned out okay because writers rewrote his screenplay to death (Lucas can't write for s--- ) and Irwin Kershner directed it. Lucas started out an indie director and in the same school as Coppola, etc. but then Star Wars and Indiana Jones happened and it consumed his life and now that's all he's known for and it affected his judgement.
The most recent Star Wars movies were so incredibly awful that they taint the classic trilogy. I can't watch A New Hope without thinking about the awfulness of the backstory. Horrific film making.
The most recent Star Wars movies were so incredibly awful that they taint the classic trilogy. I can't watch A New Hope without thinking about the awfulness of the backstory. Horrific film making.
I don't quite have the hate on that most have because I really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith. It didn't have the cute factor of the Phantom Menace, or the the awkward dialogue of the attack of the clones.
But then again Palpatine has always been my favorite character and he generally stole the movie in Sith.
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I don't quite have the hate on that most have because I really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith. It didn't have the cute factor of the Phantom Menace, or the the awkward dialogue of the attack of the clones.
But then again Palpatine has always been my favorite character and he generally stole the movie in Sith.
1 was alright, the kiddy stuff was stupid, but Liam was awesome and Darth Maul was cool. 2 was terrible, and 3 was alright.
I don't quite have the hate on that most have because I really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith. It didn't have the cute factor of the Phantom Menace, or the the awkward dialogue of the attack of the clones.
But then again Palpatine has always been my favorite character and he generally stole the movie in Sith.
Revenge of the Sith I liked. Till Padme died of a broken heart. Lame.
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Revenge of the Sith I liked. Till Padme died of a broken heart. Lame.
I really think that Lucas wrote himself into a corner. If they had annouced that she had died of a crushed windpipe, Anakin would have never ever been redeemable in the minds of the fans.
The whole "She lost the will to live" thing to me was lame but it was his only out.
Frankly the book Revenge of the Sith was far better then the movie, especially in terms of the dialogue where you get to see the dark humor of vader. And the description in the end of how it feels for Anakin in the end to become Vader.
During the slaughter of seperatist leaders in the movie, Anakin didn't say a word. In the book he was positively chatty as he murdered them.
Seperatist leader - "But your master promised us a handsome reward"
Vader - "You don't find me handsome?"
decapitation
Nute Gunray - "But your master he promised us peace"
Vader - "The communication was garbled he promised you'd be left in pieces"
This was the final dialogue from the book about Vader after he's put into the suit, and I really love the wording of it.
This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, foverer :
This first dawn of light in your universe brings pain.
The light burns you. It will always burn you. Part of you will always lie upon black glass sand beside a like of fire while flames chew upon your flesh.
You can hear yourself breathing. It comes hard, and harsh, and it scrapes nerves
already raw, but you cannot stop it. You can never stop it. You cannot eve slow it down.
You don’t even have lungs anymore.
Mechanisms hardwired into your chest breathe for you. They pump oxygen into your bloodstream forever.
Lord Vader, can you hear me? Lord Vader, can you hear me?
You cant. Not in the way you once did. Sensors in the shell that prisons your head trickle meaning directly into your brain.
You open your scorched-pale eyes; optical sensors integrate light and shadow into a hideous simulacrum of the world around you.
Or perhaps the simulacrum is perfect, and it is the world that is hideous.
Pamdé? Are you here? Are you all right? You try to say, but another voice speaks for you. Out from the vocabulator servers you for burned-away lips and tongue and throat.
Pamdé? Are you here? Are you all right?
I´m very sorry, Lord Vader. I´m afraid she died. It seems in your anger, you killed her.
That burns hotter than the lava had.
No……., no, it is not possible!
You loved her. You will always lover her. You could never will her death.
NEVER.
But you remember…
You remember all of it.
You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forth from your heart to slay. You remember the cold venom in Vader´s blood. You remember the furnace of Vader´s fury, and the black hatred seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth –
And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. There was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker.
That it was all you. Is you.
Only you.
You did it.
You killed her.
You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking of her, you were thinking of yourself…
It is this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith –
Because now your self is al you will ever have.
And in your rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow [Palpatine] who has destroyed you, but you are so less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only the droids around you that you implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.
In the end, you don’t even want to.
In the end, the shadow it all you have left.
Because the shadow understands you, the shadow forgives you, gathers your unto self –
And within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame.
This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker.
Foverer…
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Yeah, just saw this movie with the GF, talk about epic suckage. Best character was that crazy Colonel(rank?) with the scars, he had the right idea.
Im not getting into it, but this movie was boring and then had an epic message that made little to no sense.
Boo-urns. Just a really clear indication that a lot of people are still easily attracted to shiny objects as everything in this movie glows when you touch it.
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Since there is so much talk of The Hurt Locker in this thread, I have to say...
The HBO miniseries Generation Kill about the first days of the Iraq War is about 10x better than The Hurt Locker...they are different things but for a modern film about the Iraq war, that's how I feel.
Generation Kill is all based on real people and real events that took place, written by an embedded reporter.
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Yeah, just saw this movie with the GF, talk about epic suckage. Best character was that crazy Colonel(rank?) with the scars, he had the right idea.
Im not getting into it, but this movie was boring and then had an epic message that made little to no sense.
Boo-urns. Just a really clear indication that a lot of people are still easily attracted to shiny objects as everything in this movie glows when you touch it.
I'm guessing you saw it on DVD/Blu Ray?
I've said time and time again in this thread that this movie needs to be seen in a big screen and in 3D. It's more about the ride and the world that envelops your senses than the story. I'm never going to watch it again personally, because I know it offers nothing on the small screen and yet seeing it in 3D in IMAX was a life-changing experience that just filled all my senses.
And I'm a guy that hates most CG and hates new things. Do you guys remember when you first saw Jurassic Park? Was there a moment when you first saw the Dinosaurs that you just held your breath in? Avatar was like that for me, but for an entire movie where all my senses were just dragged into that world and it was a breathtaking rollercoaster ride...however I know that just like JP, watching it on a small screen at home results in seeing a pretty crappy movie, like watching the rollercoaster do a loop from the ground.
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I've said time and time again in this thread that this movie needs to be seen in a big screen and in 3D. It's more about the ride and the world that envelops your senses than the story. I'm never going to watch it again personally, because I know it offers nothing on the small screen and yet seeing it in 3D in IMAX was a life-changing experience that just filled all my senses.
And I'm a guy that hates most CG and hates new things. Do you guys remember when you first saw Jurassic Park? Was there a moment when you first saw the Dinosaurs that you just held your breath in? Avatar was like that for me, but for an entire movie where all my senses were just dragged into that world and it was a breathtaking rollercoaster ride...however I know that just like JP, watching it on a small screen at home results in seeing a pretty crappy movie, like watching the rollercoaster do a loop from the ground.
Agree and disagree with your post. I saw it in 3D and was just blown away and loved it. I bought it on Blu Ray and while it's not as special as in the theatre, it still looks pretty damn good if you have a good TV. The scale at home can never be duplicated, but I still enjoyed it at home and will probably give it a view once every year or two. Still a very special movie.
I've said time and time again in this thread that this movie needs to be seen in a big screen and in 3D. It's more about the ride and the world that envelops your senses than the story. I'm never going to watch it again personally, because I know it offers nothing on the small screen and yet seeing it in 3D in IMAX was a life-changing experience that just filled all my senses.
And I'm a guy that hates most CG and hates new things. Do you guys remember when you first saw Jurassic Park? Was there a moment when you first saw the Dinosaurs that you just held your breath in? Avatar was like that for me, but for an entire movie where all my senses were just dragged into that world and it was a breathtaking rollercoaster ride...however I know that just like JP, watching it on a small screen at home results in seeing a pretty crappy movie, like watching the rollercoaster do a loop from the ground.
Ok, fair enough, but I'm more about the story and how its told than I am about the awesome theatrics. To me, selling a third rate story with first class special effects is a ridiculous cop-out. By that logic that movie could have been about absolutely anything so long as it provided an opportunity to fire out some bitchin' graphics.
Avatar sucked.
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I bought it on Blu Ray and while it's not as special as in the theatre, it still looks pretty damn good if you have a good TV. The scale at home can never be duplicated.
Actually, a 3DTV at THX recommended viewing distance would come really close. The difference between a modern 3DTV and a RealD theater is about the same as the difference between an HDTV and normal theater. Size/distance ratio matters more than absolute size.
I saw hurt locker on the weekend, Avatar was no great achievement but hurt locker was almost boring and didnt seem believable (who doesnt but riddle that car with bullets when it doesnt stop? If thats how we operate in Iraq and Afghanistan its no wonder so many suicide bombers attempts succeed). Avatar was a Pocahontas rip off but it was better than hurt locker.
Generation Kill is 10X better than hurt locker but its still nothing fantastic imo.
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