So I got a Bylaw Warning Notice for Noise...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Ah, the rolling eyes emoticon... now I can see what a joke my argument is! Touche!

I guess the person just has to put up with the noise then... case closed. Glad I have the neighbours I do... I don't bother them, they don't bother me. How unreasonable.

The rolling eyes emoticon is there to point out that your 'shock' at bothering neighbors is ridiculous. Not to mention you basically eliminated the prospect of coming to an amicable conclusion between two (purportedly) civilized individuals.

People should try and sort out their problems between themselves before they have to call the big bad City Bylaw officers to officiate over every minor squabble.

I guess the person just has to put up with the noise then... case closed.

Your attitude is: he's bothering me, so to hell with him. Case closed.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

What people are trying to say is that it's sad in society people can't handle simple disputes like adults. Most people are pretty reasonable in this day and age.

5pm is a perfectly reasonable time to make some noise. It's like the morons that live a block of 17th and then complain on the weekends/rare Flames playoff triumphs that people. You live a block away from the busiest street in town with the most bars. What were you expecting?

Those would be my neighbors......

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

5pm is a perfectly reasonable time to make some noise. It's like the morons that live a block of 17th and then complain on the weekends/rare Flames playoff triumphs that people. You live a block away from the busiest street in town with the most bars. What were you expecting?

So you're saying the neighbour before he moved into the neighbourhood should have known that the OP was going to start playing the drums?

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

And then the neighbour returns the favour by picking at every little thing too. No one wins and everyone is worse off.

Ok, I have no opinion on this for or against.

Greentea, is it not reasonable for the OP to go around checking with neighbors to work out if he can play drums at a certain hour or what not?

The OP did make an effort to check with almost all of his neighbors and now he's going to round out the last few to check with them.

If the neighbors don't want him to play, fair enough, he'll have to adjust and get his drumming volume down to an acceptable level or find another compromise.

I don't understand your point in this thread, are you saying everything is black and white and he can't make noise at all? Even if he tries to facilitate his neighbors?

On another note, somebody did post the by-law here, and if the OP is only playing for 30mins, it does not appear that he is breaking the by-law.

[Cactus Jack]

No, I'm saying if the OP lives in a house and you can still hear him, it's really loud if the noise is going from house to house. If they live in apartments or something, the drums are probably not the first thing to tick this guy off. If the neighbour is so sensitive to noise made when the sun is still up year around, he probably is bothered my kids/TVs/ radios/everything, so they should probably move to house or somewhere where he can have space and not be bothered by people's normal activities.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

And then the neighbour returns the favour by picking at every little thing too. No one wins and everyone is worse off.

I wonder if once a week the fcuk of a neighbour uses a gas powered lawn mower, those things are noisy, he should call them for that.

You dont bring a knife to a gun fight. ANYONE who complains about 30 minutes of noise at 5-530pm is a complete and utter shut in dbag and he/she/it needs to be treated as such. You dont solve these issues with nice talk, you solve them with silent intimidation.

Men have one rule, you dont hit in the junk, the first one that does then gets no mercy whatsoever no matter the circumstances. This neighbour metaphorically hit the o/p in the junk, its now up to him to rectify the situation using any means necessary.

Firstly I would be calling city hall to get a confirmation of the bylaw. Then I would be writing a letter to city hall bylaw to get their response in writing, then I would be going to local news outlets to get this shut in neighbour publically outed.

[Shazam]

If you phone 311 and want to lodge a complaint, they will first ask you if you talked to the neighbour first. They REALLY want you to talk it out first. They even give the complainer a letter first saying that they would really appreciate it if they talked it out first.

Anyhoo, complainer probably works nights or has babies.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

No, I'm saying if the OP lives in a house and you can still hear him, it's really loud if the noise is going from house to house. If they live in apartments or something, the drums are probably not the first thing to tick this guy off. If the neighbour is so sensitive to noise made when the sun is still up year around, he probably is bothered my kids/TVs/ radios/everything, so they should probably move to house or somewhere where he can have space and not be bothered by people's normal activities.

Do you have any idea how loud a drum set can be? To compare kids/tv's/radios to the level of noise a drum set can produce is asinine.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Do you have any idea how loud a drum set can be? To compare kids/tv's/radios to the level of noise a drum set can produce is asinine.

It needs to be recorded though, that's the point. Its all accusations until it goes to court and the accuser reveals their collected evidence. The accuser would have to prove that the noise level is above the acceptable DB level for the time (5pm)

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

It needs to be recorded though, that's the point. Its all accusations until it goes to court and the accuser reveals their collected evidence. The accuser would have to prove that the noise level is above the acceptable DB level for the time (5pm)

Well, we can pretty much figure out that it is since the OP doesn't want to play inside the house because of the noise.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Locke

The rolling eyes emoticon is there to point out that your 'shock' at bothering neighbors is ridiculous. Not to mention you basically eliminated the prospect of coming to an amicable conclusion between two (purportedly) civilized individuals.

I don't think my 'shock' is ridiculous. I'm on a condo board and I think it's incredibly rude to play music, or have a barking dog, or any other noise that your neighbours are forced to hear at an unreasonable level. Some things, like mowing your lawn, are reasonable. Some things, like drumming, are less reasonable.

I'm not sure how I eliminated the prospect of coming to an amicable conclusion? Define 'amicable'. If the neighbours hear the noise, and they don't like it and don't want to be subjected to it, what's your amazing amicable compromise? That the neighbours just put up with it, at their inconvenience? That the drummer stop? Where's the half-way? Either it disturbs the neighbours, or it doesn't. If it does, drummer has to get the volume down to a point where it doesn't. That's my definition of 'reasonable', obviously not shared by everyone.

When you have a noisy hobby, it seems pretty obvious that there would be noise-related consequences that you, as the noise-maker, have to deal with.

[FlamesAddiction]

A friend of mine used pink fibre glass insulation to make a sound proof room and it worked pretty good I thought, but there are probably better options.

That's kind of a crappy deal. 30 minutes in the early evening should be tolerable for your neighbours imo.

[troutman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance

Under the common law, persons in possession of real property (land owners, lease holders etc) are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of their lands. However this doesn't include tenants, or visitors etc as they aren't considered to have an interest in the land. If a neighbour interferes with that quiet enjoyment, either by creating smells, sounds, pollution or any other hazard that extends past the boundaries of the property, the affected party may make a claim in nuisance.

To be a nuisance, the level of interference must rise above the merely aesthetic. For example: if your neighbour paints their house purple, it may offend you; however, it doesn't rise to the level of nuisance. In most cases, normal uses of a property that can constitute quiet enjoyment cannot be restrained in nuisance either. For example, the sound of a crying baby may be annoying, but it is an expected part of quiet enjoyment of property and does not constitute a nuisance.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Your attitude is: he's bothering me, so to hell with him. Case closed.

When my neighbour was running bass through our shared wall I could hear it through out my condo unit. I couldn't enjoy my own property without hearing rumbling bass. I was home at various hours, and no 'schedule' of running bass through my condo worked; it was a great nuisance and I wanted it gone. As far as I was concerned it was case closed; he didn't have to listen to music that loud, he acknowledge it when I complained, and I haven't heard it since.

I guess it's a difference of opinion. I think when you own a property, you should be able to enjoy it free of nuisance. When we share an area we have to respect our neighbours 'right' to peace and quiet, as much as is possibly reasonable.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance

Under the common law, persons in possession of real property (land owners, lease holders etc) are entitled to the quiet enjoyment of their lands. However this doesn't include tenants, or visitors etc as they aren't considered to have an interest in the land. If a neighbour interferes with that quiet enjoyment, either by creating smells, sounds, pollution or any other hazard that extends past the boundaries of the property, the affected party may make a claim in nuisance.

To be a nuisance, the level of interference must rise above the merely aesthetic. For example: if your neighbour paints their house purple, it may offend you; however, it doesn't rise to the level of nuisance. In most cases, normal uses of a property that can constitute quiet enjoyment cannot be restrained in nuisance either. For example, the sound of a crying baby may be annoying, but it is an expected part of quiet enjoyment of property and does not constitute a nuisance.

What are you, some kind of law knowing dude?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Do you have any idea how loud a drum set can be? To compare kids/tv's/radios to the level of noise a drum set can produce is asinine.

This. 1000x this.

Also, unaccompanied drums can get on your nerves pretty fast even when they're played well. When they're played poorly.... oh god.
Also, kids these days have very poor taste in music.
Also, stay off my lawn.

[troutman]

http://content.calgary.ca/CCA/City+B...rest/Noise.htm

The City of Calgary regulates noise through the Community Standards Bylaw 5M2004 (68 KB) sections 26-39. This page will provide an overview of these regulations, but please refer to the actual bylaw for more detailed information. Original copies of the bylaw are available at the City Clerk's office.
What is the law?

• Noise can include, but is not limited to, yelling, shouting, loud music, horns, power tools and air conditioners.
• You have the right not to be disturbed by noise.
• You have the responsibility to not make noise that disturbs others.
• Between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Monday to Saturday and 10pm to 9am on Sunday and holidays, you may not operate:
  • A hand lawn mower
  • A motorized garden tool
  • A power tool outside of any building or structure
  • A model aircraft driven by an internal combustion engine of any kind
  • A snow clearing device powered by an engine of any kind (snow clearing devices are exempt during the 48 hour period following a snowfall)
  • A motorized snow or leaf blowing device
• You may not operate an outdoor speaker system within 150 meters of a residential development between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday (Exception: During the Calgary Stampede, restrictions are in effect between midnight and 7 a.m.)
• This is not intended to prohibit construction activities such as framing and interior work, however power tools mentioned above may not be used outside at nightime.
• Noise regulations for vehicles can be found in the Traffic Bylaw (155 KB).

Eligible applicants may apply for a Noise Exemption Permit.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I'm going to with the premise that the original poster is being less than forthright in presenting the details. In fact, it's likely the situation has escalated to the point where a bylaw officer investigated the complaint and deemed it warranted.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'm going to with the premise that the original poster is being less than forthright in presenting the details. In fact, it's likely the situation has escalated to the point where a bylaw officer investigated the complaint and deemed it warranted.

As much as it pains me to agree with you, I think you're probably not too far off the mark.....

[Flash Walken]

As someone who likes to bang around on the ol' drum-diddly-ums, and who also hates noise pollution like a man far older and crankier than I, I can appreciate both sides of the argument.

However, I appreciate the argument of the neighbour to an absolute degree. Drums are loud, interfering and impossible to ignore. I don't know how good your drummer buddy is, but if what troutman keeps mentioning is any indication, he probably isn't very good.

Few things are worse than a loud, bad drummer.

Get some electric drums and go to town.