Counterfeit NHL Jerseys

[Fuzzy McGillicuddy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I question how long these will last though, and I guess there is a good chance they get stopped at the border and you never see it.

RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency have been trying to put a dent in this. During the Vancouver Olympics alone, CBSA seized 40,000 fake jerseys that had been shipped from China. That's incredible considering most shipments arrive in small orders ... 5, 10 or 20 at a time. It's not like seizing one giant container shipment.

The mounties have already received complaints from the NHL and the Flames regarding the fake jerseys. People selling knock-offs outside the dome obviously hasn't gone unnoticed.

While it's illegal to sell these jerseys, it's not illegal to buy them. But, cops will seize and destroy them if the shipment is detected.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by BlueLine

I just bought a 'Authentic Vintage' jersey from the fanattic with Vernon cresting. I can see the stitching from the fight strap on the back of the jersey under the 30, is this not correct, are you not supposed to see the stitching? The stitching on mine does look more professional than the one shown above though. I would imagine that if its purchased from the fanattic that any doubts of authenticity should be relieved, no?

I didn't think they were selling "Authentic" versions of the retro

[blankall]

Real jerseys are 25% off rigth now on the NHL shop for anyone interested.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

I didn't think they were selling "Authentic" versions of the retro

They didn't make on-ice versions of the retros they were selling a couple of years ago (with the 1989 Stanley Cup patch) because they never wore them in games, but they did (do?) sell the authentic red RBK retros that they wore 5 times this season.

I got mine just before the Olympics and the Fanattic by the C-Train entrance at the Dome was the only store in the city that had them.

[lambeburger]

What is hilarious about the 2010 Olympic knock-offs is that they have a fight strap.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

At the end of the day this is much like downloading - it is seen as a victimless crime, with the only potential victims being the Calgary Flames - a major sports organization and Reebok - a massive athletic apparel company that is known to have shady business practices.

Now I am not saying that people should go out and buy knockoff jerseys, but how many people here download music/movies? Is one form of copywrite infringement really that much different than the other? Personally I don't think so and I doubt that many people do.

I have one jersey that has a fight strap that I have from years ago - and the thing bugs the hell out of me for the most part, I don't see why the average person would want one or why it would be a selling point.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy McGillicuddy

RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency have been trying to put a dent in this. During the Vancouver Olympics alone, CBSA seized 40,000 fake jerseys that had been shipped from China. That's incredible considering most shipments arrive in small orders ... 5, 10 or 20 at a time. It's not like seizing one giant container shipment.

The mounties have already received complaints from the NHL and the Flames regarding the fake jerseys. People selling knock-offs outside the dome obviously hasn't gone unnoticed.

While it's illegal to sell these jerseys, it's not illegal to buy them. But, cops will seize and destroy them if the shipment is detected.

I know people have been buying the knockoffs and sending them to the Flames to be signed. Which obviously the Flames can't and won't do.

[awildermode]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy McGillicuddy

RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency have been trying to put a dent in this. During the Vancouver Olympics alone, CBSA seized 40,000 fake jerseys that had been shipped from China. That's incredible considering most shipments arrive in small orders ... 5, 10 or 20 at a time. It's not like seizing one giant container shipment.

The mounties have already received complaints from the NHL and the Flames regarding the fake jerseys. People selling knock-offs outside the dome obviously hasn't gone unnoticed.

While it's illegal to sell these jerseys, it's not illegal to buy them. But, cops will seize and destroy them if the shipment is detected.

i was at a concert recently and i witnessed two arrests of bootleg t-shirt sellers.

guys were just selling bootleg shirts in the parking area as you left. saw a mini van pull next to one of the guys...doors open and out comes a security guy, jumps the shirt guy #1. other security guy runs down shirt guy #2. as we left the lot (circled around), saw both shirt guys up against the wall, then in cuffs. pretty awesome!

never seen a bootleg jersey. but, someone gave me a bootleg concert shirt a while back. the neck hole was off centered by half a neck, arm holes were uneven. the printing was slanted and off centered. and the shirt itself was tapered like a dress.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

At the end of the day this is much like downloading - it is seen as a victimless crime, with the only potential victims being the Calgary Flames - a major sports organization and Reebok - a massive athletic apparel company that is known to have shady business practices.

Now I am not saying that people should go out and buy knockoff jerseys, but how many people here download music/movies? Is one form of copywrite infringement really that much different than the other? Personally I don't think so and I doubt that many people do.

I have one jersey that has a fight strap that I have from years ago - and the thing bugs the hell out of me for the most part, I don't see why the average person would want one or why it would be a selling point.

With music I think it is a slightly different deal. I have gone to see many more concerts since music became available online. Thus resulting in me actually spending way more cash. These are bands I never would have heard of if my only source of music was radio and buying CDs. Artists actually get a much larger piece of the concert revenue than the album revenue. So in a way the online content becomes an advertising expense for the concert.

Paying less for a Flames jersey is not goign to make me spend more cash somewhere else on the organization.

[pylon]

Just a quick note for you guys.

We have placed orders in the past for these Jerseys at work, and done large orders to get the price down. However, just last week, a friend of one of the guys who also orders stuff had his shipment seized, and apparantly he is having a heck of a time trying to get another order re sent. Also apparantly they note it in Canada customs that you attempted to import counterfeit goods, which is not a good thing.

Needless to say, we will not be ordering again, as it is not worth being flagged as an international counterfeit importer to save 80 bucks on a hockey Jersey, as these are typically no better than the cheapies you can get for $130 on sale at Jersey City.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by awildermode

i was at a concert recently and i witnessed two arrests of bootleg t-shirt sellers.

guys were just selling bootleg shirts in the parking area as you left. saw a mini van pull next to one of the guys...doors open and out comes a security guy, jumps the shirt guy #1. other security guy runs down shirt guy #2. as we left the lot (circled around), saw both shirt guys up against the wall, then in cuffs. pretty awesome!

Wow...was that in Calgary? What show?

[Jimmy Stang]

While in Sydney, Australia last week, I was perusing one of those markets with all of the cheap goods and I came across a place that sold jerseys. Mostly NFL and NBA, but there was a small rack of hockey ones. Amongst about 90% Crosby sweaters, I found this monstrosity:



The photo cannot do justice to the crappy feel of the material. Interesting take on the Horse jersey, but it looked and felt like a practice jersey at best. The red, yellow, and white looks nice together though IMO.

Then I flipped it over:



It was at this point that the owner of that market stall started giving me a little spiel: "Very expensive shirt. Very good player. Expensive in stores. Forty dollar."

So my wife snapped these shots for a laugh and we left the shirt there. It is probably still there if you know anyone in Sydney. So I either a) walked away from a disgraceful mish-mash of leftover materials (they ran out of the letter "g" though), or b) a rare, Flames prototype of what the horse jersey might have been...

Interestingly, it wasn't my only encounter with the famous fire breathing horse on vacation. Earlier in our trip, in Christchurch, New Zealand, we came across a gig poster that looked oddly familiar:



Looks kind of like they took the left side of the horse's head, mirrored it, took away the flames, and just kind of smoothed it out a bit. Refer to "Icinla's" authentic jersey above to see the resemblance.

And inside the bag in my hand in the Icinla shot, ironically on-topic with this thread, are a couple of 100% authentic band shirts for Queen and The Strokes.

[Redliner]

Hey there Icinla. That's all kind of awesome.

[Claeren]

I think there may be a few jersey snobs here (not a surprise, it is CPuck....)

The higher quality knockoffs are not that bad. I have 3 real jersey's and one fake and the new fake is stitched better than the older 2003-2004 style jerseys although not quite as nice as the newest jerseys. Also funny, they did a better job with the "Bouwmeester 4" on the back than the NHL did..... a lot better job.

The darker red colour sucks, so I don't wear it to games, but it is great for around the house or for playing street hockey IMO.




Claeren.

[FiftyBelow]

Hey Jimmy Stang, was that Paddy's market by any chance? I might have to check it out. Heading over to Sydney for 7 months at the end of June. Didn't notice the jersey stand last time I was there.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Claeren

I think there may be a few jersey snobs here (not a surprise, it is CPuck....)

The higher quality knockoffs are not that bad. I have 3 real jersey's and one fake and the new fake is stitched better than the older 2003-2004 style jerseys although not quite as nice as the newest jerseys. Also funny, they did a better job with the "Bouwmeester 4" on the back than the NHL did..... a lot better job.

The darker red colour sucks, so I don't wear it to games, but it is great for around the house or for playing street hockey IMO.




Claeren.

Jersey snobs? It isn't about being a snob, it about staying on the right side of copyright and trademark law.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

Hey Jimmy Stang, was that Paddy's market by any chance? I might have to check it out. Heading over to Sydney for 7 months at the end of June. Didn't notice the jersey stand last time I was there.

That's the one. If you want specific coordinates to the "Icinla" jersey, PM me to prevent someone from swooping in and beating you to it...

The jersey selection was underwhelming, to be honest. I saw two places, both with quite a few NFL and NBA (and maybe MLB?) shirts. One of them had exactly two kids Columbus shirts. The other had about 20 Crosby shirts, 5 Habs shirts, and a few single shirts from other teams. And "Icinla", of course. The hockey stuff was lower-rack and no overly obvious.

There was also a couple of stands with soccer stuff, but the usual Man Utd garbage along with some of the "popular" teams: Chelsea, Inter, AC, Real Madrid, etc. Didn't look close enough to see the quality of those.

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Jersey snobs? It isn't about being a snob, it about staying on the right side of copyright and trademark law.

haha, okay....

1) I bet at least half (I would have guessed just about everyone, but since you seem to ride a golden unicorn of perfection I am guessing not you) of the people slamming the quality of the jerseys have at some point downloaded media or looked at media (like on youtube) that had violated rights holders.

2) Slamming the quality/aesthetics of the jerseys is totally different than slamming the ethics of buying one. Most people seem put off by the colour or stitching, not the ethics.



Claeren.

[Bean]

Originally Posted by blankall

Real jerseys are 25% off rigth now on the NHL shop for anyone interested.

Slight side bar: I've just have an order cancelled by the NHL shop and am currently fighting to have it reinstated. Cause of cancellation is unknown however I cannot sit idly by without warning CP brethren.

Methinks NHL shop blows donkey privates and would highly recommend the likes of icejerseys.com, rivercitysports.com and any other website promoted by other CP members.

Hockey Experts and Game On Sports in Deerfoot Mall were doing pretty good jersey sales last week. Check those guys out as well!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

That's the one. If you want specific coordinates to the "Icinla" jersey, PM me to prevent someone from swooping in and beating you to it...

The jersey selection was underwhelming, to be honest. I saw two places, both with quite a few NFL and NBA (and maybe MLB?) shirts. One of them had exactly two kids Columbus shirts. The other had about 20 Crosby shirts, 5 Habs shirts, and a few single shirts from other teams. And "Icinla", of course. The hockey stuff was lower-rack and no overly obvious.

There was also a couple of stands with soccer stuff, but the usual Man Utd garbage along with some of the "popular" teams: Chelsea, Inter, AC, Real Madrid, etc. Didn't look close enough to see the quality of those.

There's a large market out near Homebush that used to have a bunch of 'authentic jersey' stands, it's been a few years since I was there though. They had a pretty good selection of hockey jerseys, the quality was crap but they worked well for practice jerseys, especially since there aren't a lot of options for actual jerseys.