McGill football hazing....

[Frank the Tank]

Is that K-Y on that broomstick?!

Absolutely stunning if true. I was hazed as a rookie at the University of Windsor, did some nasty stuff, but nothing compared to this allegation. Wow.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Every seasoned athelete knows the sausage is the preferred method of penetration. Broomsticks leave slivers.

[habernac]

hazing is bullshinguard. They tried that back in my minor hockey days. Backed me into a corner, but I had my hockey stick with me. The leader didn't believe I was going to use it. Oops. They backed off when I hit him in the shoulder. Any kind of hazing which involves stuff that has to do with your "privates" merits an immediate expulsion.

[Buff]

''I was very humiliated,'' he said. ''It really made me rethink my choice. Do I really want to play football with these guys?''

I agree with him, how can you trust somebody after they go out of their way to harm you whether it be mentally or physically?

Also, Good on you habernac! I've never admitted to it before but I quit playing hockey after hearing about hazing from my cousins. Later on, after hearing what my friend went through, I was very happy that I quit playing the sport I loved.

[Hakan]

Sweet repressed homoeroticism.

Question, would you rather be on a team with with openly gay teammates or be on a team with closeted gay teammates and ridiculous hazing rituals?

[Frank the Tank]

Hey hey hey, this isn't the norm for hazing. Ours involved some "gross" stuff, (think Fear Factor gross) fueled by enormous amounts of alcohol, some hair going missing, stuff like that. A certain amount of hazing is fine and should be expected once you get to a certain level of a sport, but all within reason. I don't think they need to banish hazing, the coaches need to step in and set some limits. I'm only speaking from my experience, but these guys are a very bizarre exception to the rule.

In the end, the rookie party really helps the team bond as an entire unit.

[Hakan]

I know, it's a bit of a fascicious analogy but I mean come on. You can't have gay teammates yet you can gang sodomize a guy? Isn't there some type of hypocrisy there?

[4X4]

Originally posted by Hakan@Sep 23 2005, 11:24 AM
I know, it's a bit of a fascicious analogy but I mean come on. You can't have gay teammates yet you can gang sodomize a guy? Isn't there some type of hypocrisy there?

I've wondered about that for awhile. Athletes in general seem to be staunchly heterosexual (in public), but the hazing rituals often involve sodomy. Why?

I wouldn't want to see a dude's brown eye, let alone stick a broomstick up there. How is that amusing?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by 4X4@Sep 23 2005, 01:30 PM
I've wondered about that for awhile. Athletes in general seem to be staunchly heterosexual (in public), but the hazing rituals often involve sodomy. Why?

I wouldn't want to see a dude's brown eye, let alone stick a broomstick up there. How is that amusing?

Where do they "often" involve sodomy? I've played sports my entire life and I've never seen anything remotely close to this.

[Cowperson]

Many, many, many years ago in Grande Prairie there was a well-known local personage who showed up in the emergency room of the local hospital with a broken broom stick wedged up his bum . . . . . no hazing involved though. Just some sort of kinky sex thing going on.

Cowperson

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Sep 23 2005, 01:32 PM
Many, many, many years ago in Grande Prairie there was a well-known local personage who showed up in the emergency room of the local hospital with a broken broom stick wedged up his bum . . . . . no hazing involved though. Just some sort of kinky sex thing going on.

Cowperson

HAHAHAHAAA!! What in Sam Hill does THAT story have to do with this topic?

Damn that made me laugh Cow!

[habernac]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Sep 23 2005, 12:22 PM
Hey hey hey, this isn't the norm for hazing. Ours involved some "gross" stuff, (think Fear Factor gross) fueled by enormous amounts of alcohol, some hair going missing, stuff like that. A certain amount of hazing is fine and should be expected once you get to a certain level of a sport, but all within reason. I don't think they need to banish hazing, the coaches need to step in and set some limits. I'm only speaking from my experience, but these guys are a very bizarre exception to the rule.

In the end, the rookie party really helps the team bond as an entire unit.

as long as that "hair going missing" isn't from that area I talked about before, hey no problem. That needs to go away. And alot of coaches have this macho bullshinguard thing going on that "it happened to me so it's ok". It isn't ok.

[Frank the Tank]

One other thing I just thought of....how many opposition teams stadiums are now going to be full of drunks waving broomsticks at the McGill players. Ouch.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by habernac@Sep 23 2005, 01:47 PM
as long as that "hair going missing" isn't from that area I talked about before, hey no problem. That needs to go away. And alot of coaches have this macho bullshinguard thing going on that "it happened to me so it's ok". It isn't ok.

Just the hair on my head Hab. Nobodies junk was exposed. We were given enormous amounts of alcohol and had to perform "skits" in groups for all the vets. We were then given a pass or fail and then some form of punishment. Of course everyone fails.

In the end, it turned out to be one of the best nights of my life. Of course, it can always go too far as is the case here if true, but it can be a good way for a team to bond.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Sep 23 2005, 12:47 PM
One other thing I just thought of....hoe many opposition teams stadiums are noe going to be full of drunks waving broomsticks at the McGill players. Ouch.

Ha ha no doubt. Perfect humiliating punishment. Even worse though, is how do you look your parents in the eye after they know you've been involved in something like this? Whaddya say to them? That you got the rules to quidditch all wrong?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

If these alligations are true (and sadly I wouldn't doubt it) I would have to say expell everyone who had a part to do with it. I know that it might sound a bit harsh, but anyone who participated gets the boot from the school. I can't imagine what would drive someone to commit such a sexual assault (and that is what it is) on another human being. I see very little difference between this and sticking something into a woman against her will (not rape but a physical object of some sort). That is the kind of thing that leads to time in prison... a simple expulsion actually mgiht be going easy on them.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Sep 23 2005, 02:04 PM
Whaddya say to them? That you got the rules to quidditch all wrong?

Oh crap this board has me laughing today! NICE!!

[Mike Oxlong]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Sep 23 2005, 07:04 PM
Ha ha no doubt. Perfect humiliating punishment. Even worse though, is how do you look your parents in the eye after they know you've been involved in something like this? Whaddya say to them? That you got the rules to quidditch all wrong?

Quiditch.....LOL

They are going to nickname that guy Harry Potter...too funny.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Mean Mr. Mustard@Sep 23 2005, 02:05 PM
If these alligations are true (and sadly I wouldn't doubt it) I would have to say expell everyone who had a part to do with it. I know that it might sound a bit harsh, but anyone who participated gets the boot from the school. I can't imagine what would drive someone to commit such a sexual assault (and that is what it is) on another human being. I see very little difference between this and sticking something into a woman against her will (not rape but a physical object of some sort). That is the kind of thing that leads to time in prison... a simple expulsion actually mgiht be going easy on them.

I afree with what you are saying. The only thing holding me back is this is all heresay right now. No proof. The guy could just be saying it because he is a pansey.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, a lot of rituals that the "Jock" types performed always baffled me. I was never good enough at any sport where I had to endure some type of whacked hazing routine. But growing up in a town with a Junior hockey team and knowing a lot of the players etc. I heard some bizarre stories. The comments about everyone being paranoid of a gay team mate, yet these same players seem to get off on some crazy rituals, and display bizarre antics in the dressing room. It is a touch Ironic. Dressing someone up in a dress and dying their hair, or cutting it off, and making them drink a lot at a rookie party is one thing. But when it goes beyond that than it makes you wonder.....Why?