Ann Coulter @ the U of C - UPDATE moved to Red/White Club @ McMahon

[photon]

Originally Posted by peter12

It's a laugh. She's not really saying things that are that harmful, just ridiculous. What's so funny is that she has hardcore supporters and people that hate her guts.

You say it isn't harmful, but then you say she has hardcore supporters.

I think it is harmful, instead of her supporters hiding their racist thoughts and letting racism die over time, she gives them a public platform that is accepted by the public. She validates and emboldens them, so rather than just stewing they spread their immoral views to the next generation.

She has a right to speak, but everyone else has a right to not give her a platform to do it from.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Did someone say Meghan McCain?



Oh yeah.......

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by photon

You say it isn't harmful, but then you say she has hardcore supporters.

I think it is harmful, instead of her supporters hiding their racist thoughts and letting racism die over time, she gives them a public platform that is accepted by the public. She validates and emboldens them, so rather than just stewing they spread their immoral views to the next generation.

She has a right to speak, but everyone else has a right to not give her a platform to do it from.

I will have to agree with Peter. She is fiery but not racist. Far too easy to fire the racist label at people. Especially if they are conservative/immoral. An A$$HOLE yes. Racist...nope.

Has there ever been a conservative commentator/writer/poster that hasn't been labeled a racist by a liberal when they un-politically correctly slice and dice a Liberal truism? It's almost like there is one standard for Conservatives and one completely different one for Liberals certainly rings true. Whatever the rest she said.

[Matata]

Public support is her sole nourishment, just like monsters under the bed, ignoring her makes her go away,

I will read all upcoming articles about her trip, but only for the hilarity.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Well, it took her two seconds to demonstrate she's certainly smarter in the public arena than the President of the University of Ottawa.

Cowperson

Did she really demonstrate that though? She's shown she can spin things, but I don't see what she did as showing any intelligence. If anything her threatended human rights claim makes her look like more of an idiot in my mind, nothing indicates that it is a credible claim whatsoever. I'll give her credit for turning negative attention into fuel for her little show, but I don't see it as demonstrating much in the way of intelligence.

[photon]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I will have to agree with Peter. She is fiery but not racist. Far too easy to fire the racist label at people.

Alright how do you define racist? How do you determine if something is racist or not?

Originally Posted by HOZ

Especially if they are conservative/immoral.

Useless inflammatory garbage, morality isn't determined by one's political slant.

And conservatives know when things cross the line, like when the conservative National Review and Coulter "parted ways" (meaning they didn't publish her followup as written so she publicly trashed them) over some of her writings and admitted it was a mistake to publish her saying we should "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

Originally Posted by HOZ

Has there ever been a conservative commentator/writer/poster that hasn't been labeled a racist by a liberal when they un-politically correctly slice and dice a Liberal truism? It's almost like there is one standard for Conservatives and one completely different one for Liberals certainly rings true. Whatever the rest she said.

I can't understand your point through all the us vs them mire, maybe restate your point without the baloney?

[Julio]

Originally Posted by HOZ

For example...the Rush Limbaugh syndrome. I am sure everyone who hates this guy has never heard his show. I have listened to him a few times and the labels he is given are way off base.

You would be wrong in that...I both watched and listened to Rush a fair bit and all he did was confirm that I thought he was a blowhard.

[Russic]

I find myself disagreeing with HOZ quite strongly. I find Coulture to be quite racist and most things I've heard about Rush Limbaugh seem pretty dead-on whenever I listen to him speak.

To me Coulture just says things that are purposefully hateful and then hides behind a giant free-speech banner when people have a problem with it. She's a perfect example of somebody that says "I'm not a racist but ..." and then says something incredibly racist.

Matata above is correct. She isn't the household name that she is if liberals don't fall for her tricks. She's like an internet troll ... she exists to get people riled up. Best to just ignore and walk away.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I will have to agree with Peter. She is fiery but not racist. Far too easy to fire the racist label at people. Especially if they are conservative/immoral. An A$$HOLE yes. Racist...nope.

So when she says that all Muslims should be banned from flying and that they should take flying carpets instead - she's not being racist? Seems like she is encouraging discrimination solely based on someones race.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but hiding behind free speech to spew hate puts her in some unsavoury company. And that's fine by me - the more extreme and radical her views, the less credibility she has.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by valo403

Did she really demonstrate that though? She's shown she can spin things, but I don't see what she did as showing any intelligence. If anything her threatended human rights claim makes her look like more of an idiot in my mind, nothing indicates that it is a credible claim whatsoever. I'll give her credit for turning negative attention into fuel for her little show, but I don't see it as demonstrating much in the way of intelligence.

I had no idea she was appearing at the University of Ottawa. Now I do.

Victory Coulter.

Now she's got a reason to put him on trial in front of the Human Rights commission. It matters not if they agree to accept the case (unlikely) or not (very likely). Either way, she's got something to talk about. SHe'll be in the Canadian papers at the very least for a fair while.

Victory Coulter.

A very stupid and unnecessary move by the university president. In fact, he practically shouted from the rooftop, "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE. THAT'S MY ENEMY!! GO TAKE A LOOK. SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY!!! SEE FOR YOURSELF!!! DON'T MISS SEEING HOW RACIST SHE IS!!!"

Did he actually think she wasn't going to jump at that or, more hilariously, that she was going to temper her voice? How gullible is that?

And, of course, none of us slows down to look at a car wreck.

Meanwhile, if you can shut Jim Keegstra up, why can't you shut up Ann Coulter?

The answer is that Jim Keegstra wasn't in it for the money, therefore he never knew nor cared that there was a line you couldn't cross.

Ann Coulter knows where the line is because it's important to a long-term income stream. Michelle Malkin, basically the Asian (calling her a racist too?), visible minority version of Coulter, understands that too.

Unlike Coulter though, I think Malkin actually believes what she says.

Cowperson

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I had no idea she was appearing at the University of Ottawa. Now I do.

Victory Coulter.

Now she's got a reason to put him on trial in front of the Human Rights commission. It matters not if they agree to accept the case (unlikely) or not (very likely). Either way, she's got something to talk about. SHe'll be in the Canadian papers at the very least for a fair while.

Victory Coulter.

A very stupid and unnecessary move by the university president. In fact, he practically shouted from the rooftop, "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE. THAT'S MY ENEMY!! GO TAKE A LOOK. SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY!!! SEE FOR YOURSELF!!! DON'T MISS SEEING HOW RACIST SHE IS!!!"

Did he actually think she wasn't going to jump at that or, more hilariously, that she was going to temper her voice? How gullible is that?

And, of course, none of us slows down to look at a car wreck.

Meanwhile, if you can shut Jim Keegstra up, why can't you shut up Ann Coulter?

The answer is that Jim Keegstra wasn't in it for the money, therefore he never knew nor cared that there was a line you couldn't cross.

Ann Coulter knows where the line is because it's important to a long-term income stream. Michelle Malkin, basically the Asian (calling her a racist too?), visible minority version of Coulter, understands that too.

Unlike Coulter though, I think Malkin actually believes what she says.

Cowperson

To be fair she was already getting this press attention before the comments from the University President, I mean this thread existed before those comments came to light and there was already plenty of press. This extends her profile slightly, but it's doubtful it puts any more bills in her pocket.

And my point was never that the comments of the President weren't stupid given the situation, just that this doesn't make Coulter appear like some genius. At least not in my eyes. She comes off as a moron, from where I sit, who has no ability to grasp the basics of the law she's reaching for, it's a boy crying wolf. I get her intentions, and I guess for her goal it's the right move, but I just seeing her looking a bit more moronic than I saw her looking yesterday.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by photon

I can't understand your point through all the us vs them mire, maybe restate your point without the baloney?

Not possible...it is HOZ, afterall.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I had no idea she was appearing at the University of Ottawa. Now I do.

Victory Coulter.

Now she's got a reason to put him on trial in front of the Human Rights commission. It matters not if they agree to accept the case (unlikely) or not (very likely). Either way, she's got something to talk about. SHe'll be in the Canadian papers at the very least for a fair while.

Victory Coulter.

A very stupid and unnecessary move by the university president. In fact, he practically shouted from the rooftop, "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE. THAT'S MY ENEMY!! GO TAKE A LOOK. SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY!!! SEE FOR YOURSELF!!! DON'T MISS SEEING HOW RACIST SHE IS!!!"

Did he actually think she wasn't going to jump at that or, more hilariously, that she was going to temper her voice? How gullible is that?

And, of course, none of us slows down to look at a car wreck.

Meanwhile, if you can shut Jim Keegstra up, why can't you shut up Ann Coulter?

The answer is that Jim Keegstra wasn't in it for the money, therefore he never knew nor cared that there was a line you couldn't cross.

Ann Coulter knows where the line is because it's important to a long-term income stream. Michelle Malkin, basically the Asian (calling her a racist too?), visible minority version of Coulter, understands that too.

Unlike Coulter though, I think Malkin actually believes what she says.

Cowperson

I think you are giving her too much credit. I think most people with average IQ's would be able to do exactly what she is doing.

She is just twisted and evil enough to actually do it.

People have been creating "real life" characters for awhile now, hers isn't really anymore ingenious than the next.

If she is so smart why doesn't she go cure cancer or something.

Its ironic that she is crying "hate crime" when her very existence promotes hate.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by valo403

To be fair she was already getting this press attention before the comments from the University President, I mean this thread existed before those comments came to light and there was already plenty of press. This extends her profile slightly, but it's doubtful it puts any more bills in her pocket.

And my point was never that the comments of the President weren't stupid given the situation, just that this doesn't make Coulter appear like some genius. At least not in my eyes. She comes off as a moron, from where I sit, who has no ability to grasp the basics of the law she's reaching for, it's a boy crying wolf. I get her intentions, and I guess for her goal it's the right move, but I just seeing her looking a bit more moronic than I saw her looking yesterday.

Completely agree. It doesn't take a genius to paint yourself as a victim.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I had no idea she was appearing at the University of Ottawa. Now I do.

Victory Coulter.

Now she's got a reason to put him on trial in front of the Human Rights commission. It matters not if they agree to accept the case (unlikely) or not (very likely). Either way, she's got something to talk about. SHe'll be in the Canadian papers at the very least for a fair while.

Victory Coulter.

A very stupid and unnecessary move by the university president. In fact, he practically shouted from the rooftop, "HEY, LOOK OVER THERE. THAT'S MY ENEMY!! GO TAKE A LOOK. SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY!!! SEE FOR YOURSELF!!! DON'T MISS SEEING HOW RACIST SHE IS!!!"

Did he actually think she wasn't going to jump at that or, more hilariously, that she was going to temper her voice? How gullible is that?

And, of course, none of us slows down to look at a car wreck.

Meanwhile, if you can shut Jim Keegstra up, why can't you shut up Ann Coulter?

The answer is that Jim Keegstra wasn't in it for the money, therefore he never knew nor cared that there was a line you couldn't cross.

Ann Coulter knows where the line is because it's important to a long-term income stream. Michelle Malkin, basically the Asian (calling her a racist too?), visible minority version of Coulter, understands that too.

Unlike Coulter though, I think Malkin actually believes what she says.

Cowperson

You're showing a tendency to give stupid people too much credit.

[The Yen Man]

I'm happy to say I have no idea who this person is, but from reading this thread, I won't even give her the time of day to wiki her. Thanks CP!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I had no idea she was appearing at the University of Ottawa. Now I do.

Victory Coulter.

Now she's got a reason to put him on trial in front of the Human Rights commission. It matters not if they agree to accept the case (unlikely) or not (very likely). Either way, she's got something to talk about. SHe'll be in the Canadian papers at the very least for a fair while.

Victory Coulter.

These are "victories" in the same sense that some starlet who scores a few bucks and some attention after releasing a sex tape has scored a victory.

So sure, she got what she wanted. But she does it by humiliating herself and destroying her own reputation, and in Coulter's case, intentionally damaging the country she proudly claims to be so patriotic about.

Is that really a victory? There's more to life than money and attention. If you are willing to do anything for money and attention, you are not winning, and you aren't particularly smart either.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Has there ever been a conservative commentator/writer/poster that hasn't been labeled a racist by a liberal when they un-politically correctly slice and dice a Liberal truism?

Oh we all know there are plenty of smart conservatives out there who have never been labeled a racist. They just don't appeal to the people who might actually like to hear the racism.

[Kjesse]

The U of O event was just canceled due to "security concerns".

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Coulter...231/story.html

I can't stand her, but don't people have better things to do with their time than pay attention to her? This is only going to fuel her fire.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Delgar

The U of O event was just canceled due to "security concerns".

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Coulter...231/story.html

I can't stand her, but don't people have better things to do with their time than pay attention to her? This is only going to fuel her fire.

Security concerns? Are they actually afraid that she is going to kill a muslim this time?

Like someone else mentioned, she might be free to speak her mind, but we are free to not give her a platform to spew hate.

It's like banning a troll from CP. People don't have the right to behave however they want in a private forum. She was warned last time and ignored the warning.

Good on the U of O for dropping the ban hammer.