Climategate

[Azure]

Does your image change what was on those emails?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Does your image change what was on those emails?

Nope just makes the point, one bad bulb in a Vegas sign of 1000 bulbs doesn't mean the sign is no longer working.

But you'd be surprised at my stance, the liberal/conservative sillyness going on in this debate has nothing to do with the real issues.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Thor

Nope just makes the point, one bad bulb in a Vegas sign of 1000 bulbs doesn't mean the sign is no longer working.

But you'd be surprised at my stance, the liberal/conservative sillyness going on in this debate has nothing to do with the real issues.

Thats weird cause every time i get one dead bulb in my string of christmas lights the whole thing goes out

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Thats weird cause every time i get one dead bulb in my string of christmas lights the whole thing goes out

lol puts on Christmas Vacation...

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Billy Tallent

Oh yes, a report from a couple of US Republican Senate Staffers (surely to be unbiased; why do you think politicians are going to be objective and unbiased whereas scientists aren't?), featuring, as always, a number of out of context e-mails. Some of the e-mails don't even suggest any wrong doing; it's just scientists engaging in a candid discussion of the science. What does this have to do with any of the points I raised?

Uh oh! The bias and subjectivity has crossed the pond!

[HOZ]

Reducing their carbon footprinting....

Stuck on stupid
Francisco Lotero, 56, and Miriam Coletti, 23, shot their daughter and her toddler brother before killing themselves.

Her parents said they feared the effects of global warming in a suicide note discovered by police.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Billy Tallent

You refuse to engage and you have demonstrated yourself to be scientifically illiterate. You don't understand the basic scientific process, thinking, or analysis, nevermind the studies you attempt to attack. You don't understand the difference between journalism and scientific literature, or the inherrent biases in journalism discussing science.

While I am no scientific expect or claim a high degree of knowledge in either side of this discussion, I believe - having known zulu for nearly 15 years now - I'm pretty much an expert on him...albeit a non peer reviewed one.

While I don't necessarily agree 100% with all his views (and for the record I don't agree with 100% of your views either) I will say he is one of, if not the, most well read and critical thinkers I know of. Attacking him on his knowledge is not a tactic I would recommend.

Recognizing this topic does not have a binary answer and both "positions" make up the puzzle is key to understanding it fully and understanding the the motivations of some of the main "thought leaders".

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

While I am no scientific expect or claim a high degree of knowledge in either side of this discussion, I believe - having known zulu for nearly 15 years now - I'm pretty much an expert on him...albeit a non peer reviewed one.

While I don't necessarily agree 100% with all his views (and for the record I don't agree with 100% of your views either) I will say he is one of, if not the, most well read and critical thinkers I know of. Attacking him on his knowledge is not a tactic I would recommend.

Recognizing this topic does not have a binary answer and both "positions" make up the puzzle is key to understanding it fully and understanding the the motivations of some of the main "thought leaders".

Interesting comment. Here I thought you agreed with 100% of my views. Which makes me wonder by what percentage you're wrong?

[zuluking]

Here's an example of a journal editor getting the full-court press courtesy of Climategate emails. Analysis done by said journal editor.

[zuluking]

Nothing if not an entertaining read. A commentary on the rainforests and polar bears opting out of AGW as the truth becomes inconvenient.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Great articles zulu........

It it becoming apparent that these IPCC "scientists" are in the pockets of the government/corporate group pushing the carbon tax/cap and trade economy....

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Great articles zulu........

It it becoming apparent that these IPCC "scientists" are in the pockets of the government/corporate group pushing the carbon tax/cap and trade economy....

This carbon tax/cap and trade scheme has the potential to be the biggest scam in the history of mankind (although abolishing the gold standard will be tough to beat). This is not about rainforest and polar bears, far from it.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

This carbon tax/cap and trade scheme has the potential to be the biggest scam in the history of mankind (although abolishing the gold standard will be tough to beat). This is not about rainforest and polar bears, far from it.

I'm glad a few people see it for what it is........

They are teaching global warming as an established science to kids in school right now....

[Pastiche]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I'm glad a few people see it for what it is........

They are teaching global warming as an established science to kids in school right now....

Shocking considering it is established science.

[amorak]

Wow, we got us some conspiracy theorists up in here!

WHERE IS MY TIN FOIL HAT?!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by amorak

Wow, we got us some conspiracy theorists up in here!

WHERE IS MY TIN FOIL HAT?!

What are you talking about?

There is no "theory"........just a bunch of liars and exaggerators caught red-handed...

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Shocking considering it is established science.

Sure it is.......

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Pastiche

Shocking considering it is established science.

Established science is not made on the basis of saying it is so, by saying "shut up, i can't hear you."

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by amorak

Wow, we got us some conspiracy theorists up in here!

WHERE IS MY TIN FOIL HAT?!

Keep the hat on, remove the blinders and read:

The crux of the scheme is this: European steelmakers have threatened to leave the EU for India, eliminating the jobs of thousands of workers in the process, unless the EU grants the steelmakers free carbon credits worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Eurofer, a European trade group, is at the center of the scheme. The web of the plot, however, weaves in not only several companies, but also the United Nations' climate change chief:
Among its members, Eurofer represents two EU steelmakers, Corus Redcar and ArcelorMittal, each of which has ties to India as well as to Rajendra K. Pachauri, the Indian industrial engineer who has been chairman of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, since 2002.

Eurofer appears to have coordinated a threat to the European Union Greenhouse Gas Emission Trading System that its steelmakers would move their operations from the EU to India unless the EU cap-and-trade exchange issued them – at no cost – carbon emissions permits worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Once the bureaucrats in Brussels acquiesced, Corus Redcar and ArcelorMittal maneuvered to cash in windfall profits from the EU carbon permits given them at no cost.

Additionally, Corus Redcar has now announced a decision to close operations in Great Britain nonetheless and relocate its steelmaking activities to India in order to gain additional U.N. carbon credits.

[Flame Of Liberty]

More:

Furthermore, WND research on the EU emissions trading system continues to suggest "follow the money" may explain the enthusiasm the U.N. has shown in pursuing global caps on carbon emissions, despite doubts surfacing in the scientific community about the validity of the underlying global warming hypothesis.

Last week, WND reported a Mumbai-based Indian multinational conglomerate with ties to IPCC Chair Pachauri stands to make several hundred million dollars in carbon credits simply by closing Corus Redcar, a steel production facility in Britain with the loss of 1,700 jobs.

Another carbon trading scam tying back to Pachauri involves Great Britain's richest man, Lakshmi Mittal, an Indian citizen who resides in London.

Mittal stands to gain a £1 billion windfall, not from the operation of his ArcelorMittal steel company, but from carbon credits given his company – at no cost – by the EU emissions trading scheme.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=118953