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Old 03-09-2010, 09:46 AM   #41
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If I am the NFL team I would just rush the ball. There is no way no matter how many guys you put on the line that the NFL team isn't going to get 3 yards a play.
I beg to differ. Cut blocks are effective even against 300 lb lineman.
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:46 AM   #42
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Not sure if you guys seen Pros vs Joes show, but even long retired players that are in the late 40s can still destroy an average guy.

Not sure if this was filmed during Ricky's pothead days, but this past year he rushed for 1100+ yards.

I agree with the general statement though...
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There's no reason why a well coached group of random guys shouldn't have 3-5 guys in the backfield even as the running back is getting the ball. Where's the running back going to go? Run backwards?
What if the QB sneaks it instead? The offensive line is used to pushing 300 pound guys out of the way, they'll have a field day with the average defensive line. They'll pick up at least 3 yards almost every time.

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They'd have a lot more than a split second. Even if the average guys just fall down to the ground, 50 of them would be preventing the NFL players from getting at the ball carrier very quickly. Remember, in a group of 50 random guys, they are going to have some guys that are going to be fairly fast/strong themselves. Not NFL fast of NFL strong, but the sheer numbers they have easily makes up for that. They should have at least a few guys that have played some football before too, in all likelihood, and more that have played other sports, and yet even more that are in decent shape.
You can't be serious. The defensive line is going almost at the exact same time as the ball is snapped. The average guys will literally have a split second before the center is bowled over. How are you throwing 30 guys or whatever you have for blocking in a space of 4 square meters?

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Again, coaching makes a big difference in the football matchup. 50 guys not knowing what to do, and not knowing how to work together, and yes they are going to get beat easily. A little coaching, and the sheer numbers gives them a huge advantage.



The intimidation factor and the chance of injury would obviously make a difference if nothing was on the line. For the hypothetical scenario to make sense, there needs to be something on the line, say a large cash prize --something that encourages the random guys to give everything they have.
Agreed coaching makes a big difference, but a well coached team is still light years behind the athletic make up and football smarts of an NFL team.
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I beg to differ. Cut blocks are effective even against 300 lb lineman.
Aren't they also illegal?
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Aren't they also illegal?
They are illegal in line play apparently. However, I think that the "cut blocks" that would happen would be perfectly legal. Since the random guys would more just crouch down really low, and make the NFLers run over them - instead of actively diving at the feet of the NFLers. That would never get called, as it would be the NFLers initiating the contact.
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In the 50 average guys vs. NFLers, I think the average guys have a shot, assuming that they'd get unlimited injury replacements, that they get sufficient coaching, and that the rules would be tweaked appropriately. Both offenses would dominate, as they would have matchups that they could exploit. I don't see the NFL players being able to effectively stop a mob of 49 blockers and 1 rusher; just sweep left or sweep right every time. Heck, do a bootleg and send 24 blockers each way; it'll be so hard to see which group has the ball, the NFLers would have no choice but to play both options.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:21 AM   #47
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Not sure if this was filmed during Ricky's pothead days, but this past year he rushed for 1100+ yards.

I agree with the general statement though...
Well, the comment wasn't suppose to coincide with the video. I didn't realize I manage to relate the 2 until now.
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I beg to differ. Cut blocks are effective even against 300 lb lineman.
Umm, cut blocks are done by the offense so your response makes no sense at all.
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They are illegal in line play apparently. However, I think that the "cut blocks" that would happen would be perfectly legal. Since the random guys would more just crouch down really low, and make the NFLers run over them - instead of actively diving at the feet of the NFLers. That would never get called, as it would be the NFLers initiating the contact.
Cut blocks are not illegal but can only be initiated from the front and the player can't be engaged by another player. So basically if the average guys used cut blocks they'd be negating their number advantage.

I'm not sure how you can so easily say that penalties wouldn't be a huge issue. You can't put 25 guys in a defensive backfield and not routinely wind up with illegal contact calls. Coaqched or not, these aren't going to be experienced guys and the split second timing required to break up a pass won't be there.

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In the 50 average guys vs. NFLers, I think the average guys have a shot, assuming that they'd get unlimited injury replacements, that they get sufficient coaching, and that the rules would be tweaked appropriately. Both offenses would dominate, as they would have matchups that they could exploit. I don't see the NFL players being able to effectively stop a mob of 49 blockers and 1 rusher; just sweep left or sweep right every time. Heck, do a bootleg and send 24 blockers each way; it'll be so hard to see which group has the ball, the NFLers would have no choice but to play both options.
Again, the 50 guys aren't starting with the ball in the ball carrier's hands and 49 other guys between him and the other team. They need to snap the ball back. I agree that if every play began with the QB with the ball and the rest of the team can line up how they want the game is a lot closer and may even favor the 50 guys, but the play still has to start as a football play.
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Old 03-09-2010, 01:19 PM   #51
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I remember a Road Rules episode where they went to Ontario and Nick Kypreos had the Road Rules people (like 8 college co-eds) play hockey against a team of 10 year olds. Only one of the Road Rules people had ever played hockey before. I think the kids still lost, but it was pretty fun to watch.

No luck finding a clip yet.
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Old 03-09-2010, 03:27 PM   #52
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haha in the 3rd part of the soccer videos on the kids 2nd goal one of the kids gets the ball in the face at about 2:34 min mark. classic
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Old 03-09-2010, 03:29 PM   #53
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:52 PM   #54
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I am shocked that someone would pick 100 people versus and NBA team or the NFL team! The NBA guys simply shoot three pointers and pass over the 100 heads, all they want. The NFL team will push forward, use the clock and walk in for TDs over and over again. If you don't think that will happen, I doubt you watch football. Manning in shotgun will pass over everyone's heads to Owens who will jump and catch the ball at nearly ten feet every time. The 100 people cannot do that play, because they will have too many people in the offensive line. The offensive lineman will have no problem pushing back three or four people at a time off the snap since they are so well trained at attacking forward in an instant. I could go on and on. However, I am worried too many people would get seriously injured by one tackle attempt on AP...I think he can run over about 20 people on his way to down the field. There are other quicker guys too that would sneak the other way that would clear half the field. So there would be 20 on the line of scrimmage, 20 covering TO, 10 going for the sack, and about 25 and 25 covering the running backs on both side of the line. The field is huge, I doubt the 100 would be very effective. And I doubt they would get many plays off.
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Yeah to win with 100 people it can't be about a game of strength and where people can get injured easily.

Best sport for a vs 100 is soccer. No contact, and you can't bulldoze your way through the joes.
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