You're only saying that because you are a Canucks fan.
Nah, It's you letting your bias towards The Flames blind you.
This game will be remembered for Sidney Crosby's overtime goal. It was the perfect storybook ending, and because of that, in ten-twenty years time Crosby scoring the "golden goal" on Canadian soil will be the moment that resonates with Canadians. Not a pass from Iginla.
The only time I can think of a "pass' being remembered was back in 87, when it was Gretzky to Lemieux, and that was more remembered because of the players involved, and it being seen as a "passing of the torch" rather than the pass itself. Besides, lets be honest a Gretzky & Lemieux combination is much more iconic and therefore more memorable to Canadians as a whole than an Iginla & Crosby pairing. Unless of course you are a Flames fan.
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^^^ You are right, but I'd say it's closer than you think.
If you were to name the two most important Canadian forwards in the league right now, it'd be Crosby and Iginla. There may be others with more points or brighter futures than Iggy, but he's about as Captain Canuck as it comes. Plus he's had important roles in both gold medal wins.
He's not Gretzky or Lemieux or Crosby, but he's up there with Sakic, Yzerman, etc. for importance to this country.
It will be the goal that is remembered most for sure. And with it, Crosby. But for big time fans, or big Canadian fans alive during this time, I'm sure they'll be able to recite the whole shift, much like the play that got Henderson his goal.
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That's fine with us as we aren't trumpeting that Iginla won Canada the gold medal.
Agreed. But there was quite an emphasis on "Iginla to Crosby" as being what would be remembered in an earlier post.
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The title of this thread bothers me a bit.
I agree that it is misleading if you take it to read that he stole the game, which of course he didn't. But goal keepers are rated by wins and losses, unlike the skaters are, because they play the entire game, among other factors. So, in that sense, he got the win.
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I guarantee that team Canada wins the game no matter which of the three goaltenders they had in net.
You can't do that, and it's not fair. He was in net, and he was there for a reason. He got the win and neither Fluery or Brodeur can claim it. It's Luongo's win.
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It just happened to be Luongo but IMO he was pretty shaky and the team won despite the better goaltender being at the other end.
I agree that he was shaky. But he wasn't too shaky to stop what he had to stop. Those were good scoring chances that got by him. And he had some very good stops as well.
Saying that the better goaltender was at the other end is also not fair. Do you mean better in your opinion, as a goaltender, or better in that game? Because he was clearly the better of the two on the day. He won. And Miller did not stand on his head keeping the Yanks in it. Chances were pretty even, IMO.
Nah, It's you letting your bias towards The Flames blind you.
Just like Canuck fans think Luongo was lights out in the Gold medal game and won the game for Canada.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Very classy posts in this thread, for the most part. Even if HOOT doesn't realize that no goalie in the world saves either of those goals. Seriously, a tip from 10 feet out, that one of the largest and best positional goalies in the world doesn't save, isn't going to be stopped by any smaller or less positionally sound keeper. A rebound off a screened and deflected shot that goes to a guy standing all alone in front....you can say he shouldn't have given up the rebound, but I'm pretty sure he didn't even see the shot through traffic, so again, I don't think any goalie saves the 2nd shot, maybe not even the first in many cases.
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Yeah, Luongo is a gold medal winner; but so are Thornton and Heatley. I suppose we could agree that they all won the "big game", but how convinced are we after the fact that these players can will their teams to victory when they need it most?
Many people here have been pretty adamant that Fleury (and Ward even!) have "won the big game", when they both arguably played lesser roles in their teams' cup victories, and under SIGNIFICANTLY less pressure (did anyone in Carolina even know what was going on?). Look at Fleury's playoff numbers when they won, vs Luongo's elimination game Olympic numbers.
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Just like Canuck fans think Luongo was lights out in the Gold medal game and won the game for Canada.
34/36 is nothing to sneeze at, but I don't see anybody saying he won the game for Canada. He was a significant part of it, as any winning goalie usually is, but he didn't have to (nor should he have needed to) steal the game for Canada (being a MUCH better team on paper and on the ice).
34/36 is nothing to sneeze at, but I don't see anybody saying he won the game for Canada. He was a significant part of it, as any winning goalie usually is, but he didn't have to (nor should he have needed to) steal the game for Canada (being a MUCH better team on paper and on the ice).
Exactly he was average and that's all they needed him to be.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
In the post-game evaluations across the country and especially here in Vancouver there is a huge amount of discussion concerning whether or not Luongo has taken a step beyond the criticism of his own ability to win the "big game", and quite honestly, most opinions seem to be cautiously optimistic. The very fact that this is even being discussed pretty much sums it up for me: it is still an issue and it will remain an issue until Luongo does something significant in remarkable fashion.
Yeah, Luongo is a gold medal winner; but so are Thornton and Heatley. I suppose we could agree that they all won the "big game", but how convinced are we after the fact that these players can will their teams to victory when they need it most?
But Luongo is a gold medal winning goal keeper, and there is the difference. Only that position is totally laid bare for 60 or more minutes. Every move is there to see and be criticized. If a skater, whether forward or defenseman has an indifferent shift, a mistake is not as important or glaring as if the keeper makes it.
Brodeur wore the goathorns for the loss against the US in the first game. I'm sure that a good look at the game record could find errors by the other 5 Canadians on the ice at the same time and people could say "well if he had done that, then the save, or lack of it, by Broduer would not have been necessary". But he's the goalie. He owns the loss. Just like Fluery has his wins in the Stanley Cup.
Whether another keeper could have done the same or better is immaterial. Luongo played the game. He won. That's all that matters. I'll agree that he has not stolen anything, and that is the benchmark for the greats like Roy and Brodeur, so Luongo is not there, at least not yet. But he did what he had to and he deserves credit for that.
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Exactly he was average and that's all they needed him to be.
That's a crock of crap, and you know it.
I could just as easily say that the whole team was "average" on the day. The big Crosby line was "average" for most of the "big" games against Russia, Slovakia, and the USA. Crosby himself just ended up "averaging" out with his big goal. If he had not scored that OT winner, what would his legacy have been in these games?
But, Crosby did what he had to, as did Iginla, and also Luongo. And so did the rest of the guys on the team. They ALL won GOLD. Nothing average about that, is there?
From one extreme to another and all the trolls are out in force. Never ends.
Plan the parade route Vancouver, an elite goalie managed a win (something most good goaltenders provide from time to time). It's the Canucks posters that make it hard to cheer for or appreciate Luo's contribution, not the man himself. Guy did good (I won't say great as I don't believe goaltending dictated the outcome of this game) but it's getting harder and harder to say that with all the "he was lights out lulz" post.
From one extreme to another and all the trolls are out in force. Never ends.
Plan the parade route Vancouver, an elite goalie managed a win (something most good goaltenders provide from time to time). It's the Canucks posters that make it hard to cheer for or appreciate Luo's contribution, not the man himself. Guy did good (I won't say great as I don't believe goaltending dictated the outcome of this game) but it's getting harder and harder to say that with all the "he was lights out lulz" post.
You do realize that both sides have their share of trolls, yea? Its the Flames posters (well the trolls, there are some genuinely great flame fan posters on this board, and i'm here because I enjoy conversing with them) that make it hard to cheer for guys like Iginla, Kiprusoff et al.
Luongo had a decentgame, he by no means stole the game, and he by no means lost the game. However In the most pressure filled game in recent memory, he bent but didn't break. I think that, speaks volumes.
From one extreme to another and all the trolls are out in force. Never ends.
Plan the parade route Vancouver, an elite goalie managed a win (something most good goaltenders provide from time to time). It's the Canucks posters that make it hard to cheer for or appreciate Luo's contribution, not the man himself. Guy did good (I won't say great as I don't believe goaltending dictated the outcome of this game) but it's getting harder and harder to say that with all the "he was lights out lulz" post.
What posts are these? I must be reading a different thread.
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You do realize that both sides have their share of trolls, yea? Its the Flames posters (well the trolls, there are some genuinely great flame fan posters on this board, and i'm here because I enjoy conversing with them) that make it hard to cheer for guys like Iginla, Kiprusoff et al.
Luongo had a decentgame, he by no means stole the game, and he by no means lost the game. However In the most pressure filled game in recent memory, he bent but didn't break. I think that, speaks volumes.
You are on a Flames message board, trolls or not they will garner far more support than your side will here. I think he had a good game, nothing beyond that as he didn't need to have a great game nor did he provide one. Speculation is the best anyone can do now.
I also suspect that most if not all teams that have played in a Stanley Cup final will argue about this so called "most pressure filled" game you speak of. It's up there, most is a stretch tho.
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What posts are these? I must be reading a different thread.
Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part, the fact that criticism about him having a good game but hardly great is being contested by every Canuck poster around followed by every bored Flames poster responding in turn is a testament to the trolling that this thread has fallen into. I'm willing to admit he got the job done and did it well, but when I see posters arguing that "no goalie would have possibly stopped any of those" it makes it hard to want to give the guy any props.
