I don't know much about Orcas, but apparently they can develop pathologies when in captivity that make them more aggressive.
Quote:
Critics claim that captive life is stressful due to small tanks, false social groupings and chemically altered water. Captive killer whales occasionally act aggressively towards themselves, their tankmates, or humans, which critics say is a result of stress. Unlike wild killer whales, captives have attacked and even killed people such as their handlers or pool intruders,[111][112] with nearly two dozen attacks since the 1970s.[113][114] Tilikum, an orca, has allegedly been involved in three fatalities. [115]
I suppose... it sort of seemed like you were trying to find this on youtube to view the death yourself. You'll search out accidental deaths for viewing, but purposeful deaths don't do it for you? Sorry if I seem harsh, I just find it totally strange (gross) that people would go looking for the video. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I have no clue what you're even talking about. I wanted to know how it happened, and I got my answer from the video someone responded with: she was swimming in the water with the whale.
What's so difficult to understand about that? I suggest looking for something else to moralbate to.
Edit: I have to say that the notion this was premeditated on behalf of the whale is fascinating. Is that even possible?
(I realize someone died, and it's very sad, but it's not like I'm able to do anything about it. Wanting to have a legitimate conversation about it doesn't make me a monster, so save the "violence-junkie" diatribe. I'm probably one a very small portion of the general populace who hasn't seen at least one Saw movie. You're barking up the tree if you think I'm in this for the gore.)
I have no clue what you're even talking about. I wanted to know how it happened, and I got my answer from the video someone responded with: she was swimming in the water with the whale.
What's so difficult to understand about that? I suggest looking for something else to moralbate to.
Check your original post. You didn't ask for a news story. You asked for a YouTube of the killing. It's not difficult for someone to assume you wanted to see the death.
Perhaps be clearer next time.
__________________
"An adherent of homeopathy has no brain. They have skull water with the memory of a brain."
Check your original post. You didn't ask for a news story. You asked for a YouTube of the killing. It's not difficult for someone to assume you wanted to see the death.
Perhaps be clearer next time.
To be frank, I didn't see the need to explain myself.
Besides... what news footage would there possibly be of this anyway? It's not like Channel 5 News just happened to be there shooting a story about something else. The only news footage there could possibly be would be from tourist's cameras. In the day and age of instant-upload-to-youtube, expecting it to be there long before someone sent a video footage to a news station isn't a crazy notion.
I think it was a pretty logical question that someone just over-reacted to. For the amount of people who memorize all the posts I've made about Apple stuff, it surprises me how little people here seem to actually know me. I'm always knocking pointlessly violent movies and videos. Even the video that was linked for me, I could hardly watch. I just skipped through it quickly to get what I wanted to know.
Seriously. I'm one of the biggest pansies on the planet when it comes to violence. Hell, I'm the guy who created the thread about how Regehr was going to far with his hits on Hemsky...
Seriously. I'm one of the biggest pansies on the planet when it comes to violence. Hell, I'm the guy who created the thread about how Regehr was going to far with his hits on Hemsky...
Don't you have menacing tattoos? What in the H-E Double Hockey Sticks are those for then?
Check your original post. You didn't ask for a news story. You asked for a YouTube of the killing. It's not difficult for someone to assume you wanted to see the death.
People need to truly appreciate the nature of death.
Think of watching death videos (or pictures) as a training. (In most cases, people watch it 'cus they are just curious)
God forbid, you might actually witness something like that one day. The shock factor will be dramatically less because you've already seen something like it.
Then we wouldn't have so many pussies running in circles or overly traumatized, when there's a minor car accident.
It's also a good deterrent too. We read about fatal accidents in papers but most people don't have mental image of how people actually died or injured. Seeing how f'ed up a body can get in a mangle is more powerful than just words like "so and so sustained serious injuries".
Humans and orcas tend to live in different ecosystems, hence why you don't hear of them attacking humans like they do seals (when they beach themselves). If humans organized themselvs on rocks in the northern Pacific ocean, I am sure you'd see a lot more attacks on humans. To them, humans and seals are just big chunks of protein.
That is complete speculation. This is a fact though: humans go into the ocean all of the time and there has never been a death attributed to an orca whale (they are whales, so are dolphins, contrary to what another poster said earlier). If we were just protein to orcas, we would see a lot more kayakers (sp) go missing in the Gulf Islands. Orca's are very selective eaters, and they seem to be able to recognize their food.
Coram's reply post to mine confuses me. I think we are having two different conversations.
All I'm saying is the "its only a matter of time before a wild animal in captivity goes crazy on someone" argument makes no sense. Orca's have no natural implulse to attack or play with humans in the wild. This behaviour is something that is generated in captivity.
That is complete speculation. This is a fact though: humans go into the ocean all of the time and there has never been a death attributed to an orca whale (they are whales, so are dolphins, contrary to what another poster said earlier).
If we were just protein to orcas, we would see a lot more kayakers (sp) go missing in the Gulf Islands. Orca's are very selective eaters, and they seem to be able to recognize their food.
Yeah, it was speculation because such a study would involve some obvious moral issues... but you are also speculating. You are assuming that a man-made vehicle (a kayak) would be recognized by wild orcas as something potentially carrying edible prey. Yeah, they are smart, but there is no reason to think that wild orcas would make that connection. The only way to truely know if wild orcas would treat humans as any other kind of prey is to put them in the same situations as their natural prey... and that rarely ever happens, therefore any anecdotal stories are pretty much invalid from a scientific point of view with no control study. Would orcas attack seals in kayaks? Probably not.
And no, dolphins are not whales. Dolphins, whales and porpoises are all members of the Cetacean order, orders are then broken down into different families and dolphins and orcas are in the Delphinidae family (also known as the dolphin family)... most other whales are not in the Delphinidae family.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 02-26-2010 at 08:41 PM.
Humans and orcas tend to live in different ecosystems, hence why you don't hear of them attacking humans like they do seals (when they beach themselves). If humans organized themselvs on rocks in the northern Pacific ocean, I am sure you'd see a lot more attacks on humans. To them, humans and seals are just big chunks of protein.
The orca that saves seals!! Greenpeace needs to hire her for it's seal program
An interesting write on Yahoo on if Orcas kill people.
Quote:
The correct answer to this question is "Not anymore." In fact, killer whales (Orcinas orca) have not killed a single person that we know of since WWII. Before WWII, a search of old newspaper accounts revealed about ten deaths per year from orca attacks.
What does orca behavior have to do with WWII? During WWII, all of the nations involved, for their own survival, had to develop anti-submarine warfare capabilities. Fake subs to practice with were prohibitively expensive, and killer whales were cheap and plentiful, so we used them instead. They were known man-killers, so why not?
We probably killed at least a third of the world's orcas, and if we couldn't find an orca, any old whale would do as well. Not only did we declare war on them, we didn't even have the grace to notice when they surrendered. That surrender decision, and the accompanying decision to exclude us from their diet, are surely the reasons there are still killer whales in the wild today. One of the ways we know that killer whales used to eat people is that every culture on the face of the earth with an ocean shoreline has, in its legends, tales of orcas munching on the citizenry.
Did you know that a killer whale doesn't have to get anywhere near you to kill you? When orcas echolocate, they send out sound in a cone about ten degrees in diameter. But by using tiny muscles to change the shape of an oil-filled organ in their heads called a melon, orcas can focus that sound to a point, like sunlight through a magnifying glass, and they can whistle so loudly the sound can literally tear your cells apart causing almost instant death.
Orcas aren't the only ones with this kind of weapon, every whale, dolphin and porpoise with teeth has a variant of it including the giant sperm whale (Physeter macrocephalus), better known as Moby Dick. Yet the toothed whales (Odontocetes) are so sparing in their use of this fantastic weapon that it's existence wasn't even suspected until 1937 and wasn't taken seriously until 1982, and even then it took almost a decade for proof to emerge.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to T@T For This Useful Post:
cliff: Watching death vids make you a stronger person. Desensitized = win.
Agree to disagree I guess. I think watching too much of that stuff (and it takes very little to be too much) affects you in a negative way. Sure, a desensitized person might react better in a gruesome or violent situation, but I think there's a cost there. It's right in the word 'desensitization'. I wouldn't trade places with the guys I know who are 'desensitized'. I suppose if you're a rescue worker or in the military or police it might be useful, otherwise I think it's crap. I certainly wouldn't expose my kid to scenes of death to 'make them stronger'.
Also, you could probably watch something like 'House of a Thousand Corpses' to get a similar level of desensitization if that's what you're looking for... simulated deaths should serve just as well as real deaths in that sense.
"Tillikum and two female whales drowned their trainer during a performance at Sealand of the Pacific, in British Columbia."
I was very young when this happened, but I remember it well. Sealand was a block away from my house. The young girl dying rattled the whole municipality.
This whale (and the others) just like to play. It's just a horribly unfortunate accident.
__________________
"For thousands of years humans were oppressed - as some of us still are - by the notion that the universe is a marionette whose strings are pulled by a god or gods, unseen and inscrutable." - Carl Sagan Freedom consonant with responsibility.
"Tillikum and two female whales drowned their trainer during a performance at Sealand of the Pacific, in British Columbia."
I was very young when this happened, but I remember it well. Sealand was a block away from my house. The young girl dying rattled the whole municipality.
This whale (and the others) just like to play. It's just a horribly unfortunate accident.
I remember that incident like it happened yesterday. My family use to go to that event all the time and it was a main stop for most school outings. To bad for that incident else we may still have Sealand because it was a cool place for a kid to visit.
This was the same whale involved with this one too wasn't it?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
The second person he killed was some (possibly drunken) idiot who wanted to "swim with the whales" one night. He got Darwin'd pretty good.
__________________
"For thousands of years humans were oppressed - as some of us still are - by the notion that the universe is a marionette whose strings are pulled by a god or gods, unseen and inscrutable." - Carl Sagan Freedom consonant with responsibility.
So this whale has killed 3 different people in 30 years? Yikes. Well I have no sympathy for the people getting in the water with this whale.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by henriksedin33
Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
