Republicans strike back...

[Ozymandias]

CNN Link

Looks like Michael Moore isn't the only voice with an opinion out there. John McCain has certainly taken notice of his work, and like any good conservative, takes a rib at Moore's left-of-center perspective of world politics.

Quite frankly, I'm glad to see someone of a higher profile take a shot at this guy. It doesn't matter where you stand on the political spectrum, I think there is too much exposure of democrats and Bush nay-sayers in the media, and not enough from the other side.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm currently reading a book called Michael Moore is a big fat stupid white man by David Hardy, and Jason Clarke. Its a series of essays that dissect Michael Moores films and study his method of spin.

Pretty interesting reading

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Oh my god! Look at the title. Just how the heck can you read such one sided tripe? Whatever happened to balance and neutrality?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Sep 1 2004, 02:26 AM
Oh my god! Look at the title. Just how the heck can you read such one sided tripe? Whatever happened to balance and neutrality?

Are you kidding its a direct rip off of one of Michael Moore's own books.

And have you read the book, or are you just assuming that its unbalanced.

Sheesh talk about a leap of faith

Oh and Michael Moore's books were all so balanced and unbiased. If Micheal Moore is going to go out of his way to flog his point of view, then he has to be willing to accept critism on his own.

And a lot of it is just arguments about things that Moore has put into his movie, or into his books, are we not allowed to critisize the mighty Moore

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Aug 31 2004, 07:26 PM
Oh my god! Look at the title. Just how the heck can you read such one sided tripe? Whatever happened to balance and neutrality?

As I stated earlier, I'm disappointed to see more media attention on democrats and liberals, and not enough on conservatives and republicans. This isn't an indication of my political stance, but rather an indication of, hence, a lack of balance between both sides of the debate.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Nor is anyone allowed to criticize the Bush Administration, by the same token. Just taking an oft-used argument during CalPuck's MooreGate and turning it back on those who purported this stance during that time.

And with Fox out there, we know that there are certainly places where non-GOP viewpoints thrive. (Acutally, after day 1 the RNC got almost as much airtime of speeches as did the first two days of the DNC).
RNC Airtime vs DNC Airtime

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Ozymandias+Aug 31 2004, 08:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ozymandias @ Aug 31 2004, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheCommodoreAfro@Aug 31 2004, 07:26 PM
Oh my god! Look at the title. Just how the heck can you read such one sided tripe? Whatever happened to balance and neutrality?

As I stated earlier, I'm disappointed to see more media attention on democrats and liberals, and not enough on conservatives and republicans. This isn't an indication of my political stance, but rather an indication of, hence, a lack of balance between both sides of the debate. [/b][/quote]
Here we go again. In case you hadn't noticed, the president is a republican, and he gets his fair share of attention.

In other news, I was watching some CNN coverage of the convention this afternoon. Wolf Blitzer was yakking with a prominent Republican (Brownback I think) about those "Swift Boat Veterans for Contradicting Themselves"ads. Wolf was saying something like "what do you think of those aren't they over the line?" and Senator Brownnose said "well we should reign in all those groups" and then in literally the next commercial break they played that exact ad. Not as part of a segment or a report or anything -- it was a commercial break and they played that commercial. Goddamn CNN and their lefty bias.

[Displaced Flames fan]

'Roos...when Kerry's attack ads on the President come out in the next several weeks and CNN DOESN'T air them, then you can complain.

BTW...the latest one from the group isn't much of an attack is it? Just Kerry using his own words. No spin whatsoever. Have you seen it?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Aug 31 2004, 09:03 PM
No spin whatsoever.

With all due respect, I find that very.. very hard to beleive.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Sep 1 2004, 02:41 AM
Nor is anyone allowed to criticize the Bush Administration, by the same token. Just taking an oft-used argument during CalPuck's MooreGate and turning it back on those who purported this stance during that time.

And with Fox out there, we know that there are certainly places where non-GOP viewpoints thrive. (Acutally, after day 1 the RNC got almost as much airtime of speeches as did the first two days of the DNC).
RNC Airtime vs DNC Airtime

Its turning nothing.

Who's not hammering on the Bush administration now.

Is there some Canadian style gag law thats not being enforced?

The fact that you can open any newspaper, go to a theatre and watch T.V. and see Bush getting beaten up by his stance on the economy, the war in Iraq, Bush's religious afiliation points to a fact that your statement is a non starter.

Oh the poor democrats they''re so hard done by

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally posted by Ozymandias+Aug 31 2004, 07:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ozymandias @ Aug 31 2004, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheCommodoreAfro@Aug 31 2004, 07:26 PM
Oh my god! Look at the title. Just how the heck can you read such one sided tripe? Whatever happened to balance and neutrality?

As I stated earlier, I'm disappointed to see more media attention on democrats and liberals, and not enough on conservatives and republicans. This isn't an indication of my political stance, but rather an indication of, hence, a lack of balance between both sides of the debate. [/b][/quote]
YAY! This is fun...

I enjoy Bull and I enjoy sh*t. And this encompasses both quite expertly. I watch the news regularly and if Kerry gets anymore time on air its because he is the challenger and it is only natural to focus more on the challenger. The media knows less about him, all he is doing is campaigning etc.

So for a fairer look one must go back to the 2000 election. Where had much more airtime than Gore. I know thats not completely fair but its closer to the truth. Which is that the cable media has a slight right wing balance because that what brings in the ratings. Why else would CNBC have Dennis Miller?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Sep 1 2004, 03:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Sep 1 2004, 03:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Aug 31 2004, 09:03 PM
No spin whatsoever.

With all due respect, I find that very.. very hard to beleive. [/b][/quote]
Have you seen the new ad?

If not, you might want to erase your post because there is zero editorial in the ad.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Aug 31 2004, 09:03 PM
'Roos...when Kerry's attack ads on the President come out in the next several weeks and CNN DOESN'T air them, then you can complain.

BTW...the latest one from the group isn't much of an attack is it? Just Kerry using his own words. No spin whatsoever. Have you seen it?

Yeah, I saw it today.

Assuming there is "no spin", what exactly is the point of those ads? Was he lying? Did those things not happen? It is part of the record now that atrocities were committed by American soldiers, isn't it? As I remember it, the "Swifties" aren't even saying he was lying -- just that what he was saying was "bad for morale".

I'm not an American, but the story goes that a good American stands up for truth and justice and all the other stuff. Did they expect him to lie? Or was he lying? Or was he telling the truth and that's the bad thing?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Aug 31 2004, 09:25 PM
Have you seen the new ad?
If not, you might want to erase your post because there is zero editorial in the ad.

I said I find that hard to beleive Dis, that would imply I haven't seen it wouldn't it?

Like I said I find it hard to beleive that there is no spin involved. If there isn't.. great! But it is still hard to beleive. I am sure I will catch the ad at some point though. So I think I will leave the post up for now.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Medals

Click on the Flag to watch the ad.

I didn't agree with the first couple of ads they put out, but this one doesn't rely on one man's word over anothers. Still don't agree with the whole 527 concept, however....

This is a good ad and is a legitimate issue for people who served in Vietnam.

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Aug 31 2004, 07:43 PM
Here we go again. In case you hadn't noticed, the president is a republican, and he gets his fair share of attention.

The only attention he seems to get these days are from Democrats and liberals purveying him in a negative spotlight. That, and his State of the Union addresses. We've heard from countless Bush critics on the issue in mass media, and I'm merely saying, for the purpose of a balanced debate, we need to hear more higher-profile republicans and conservatives speak out. I pay attention to the news regularly, and there are far more critical articles on the Republicans than there are complimentary ones. At least, this is how I've seen it. Then again, I do admit you might be more hard-pressed to find a high-profile Republican advocate than a critic, especially if it's from non-political professions. I can't recall an entertainer or athlete supporting the Bush regime lately (sans Britney Spears), unlike the Mel Gibson's and Michael Moore's of this world. Then again, I guess my very words just answer my question right there. lol

[Displaced Flames fan]

The point of the ad 'Roos? Seriously?

Well, the man came back from Vietnam and started spouting off about atrocities while his brothers were still there....many of them imprisoned by the North Vietnamese....including Senator John McCain. There is a time and a place for everything. John Kerry chose the wrong time.

Then he throws away the 6 or 7 or 8 medals away the he was awarded for his service. That's a slap in the face to everyone who served in vietnam.

He brought up his service in vietnam as a selling point in this campaign. He himself says he committed attrocities and he also threw away his awards for the service he is no supposedly so proud of?

Those are big, and rightfully so, issues with Vietnam veterans. Legitimate issues.

[Ozymandias]

CNN Link

Well, I guess the front article on the CNN website has just humbled me. Talk about putting me in my place!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Ozymandias+Aug 31 2004, 09:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ozymandias @ Aug 31 2004, 09:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Aug 31 2004, 07:43 PM
Here we go again. In case you hadn't noticed, the president is a republican, and he gets his fair share of attention.

The only attention he seems to get these days are from Democrats and liberals purveying him in a negative spotlight. That, and his State of the Union addresses. We've heard from countless Bush critics on the issue in mass media, and I'm merely saying, for the purpose of a balanced debate, we need to hear more higher-profile republicans and conservatives speak out. I pay attention to the news regularly, and there are far more critical articles on the Republicans than there are complimentary ones. At least, this is how I've seen it. Then again, I do admit you might be more hard-pressed to find a high-profile Republican advocate than a critic, especially if it's from non-political professions. I can't recall an entertainer or athlete supporting the Bush regime lately (sans Britney Spears), unlike the Mel Gibson's and Michael Moore's of this world. Then again, I guess my very words just answer my question right there. lol [/b][/quote]
Well maybe you've been looking in the wrong places?

Arnold Schwarzenegger is speaking at the RNC tonight.

On the other hand, the GOP's problem is that most of their celebrity support comes from washups and never-weres. Ted Nugent, Charlton Heston and Tom Selleck just don't have the caché of, umm, currently famous people* Nobody seems to want to claim Toby Keith or Kid Rock on the GOP side and you can't blame them for that.

*not that famous people are particularly clever or have anything good to say, they just seem to be on the anti-president side this time around, so that's probably why you don't hear much about Bush from Hollywood types

[Displaced Flames fan]

Ozyman...part of it might be a the strategy of Marc Racicot, the chairman of the campaign. They may have decided they liked what Kerry was doing and are willing to let him damage himself and keep a low profile leading up to the convention this week.

Nothing I've seen or heard, just a theory.