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Swayze11 · 02-21-2010, 04:06 PM

I am bored and figured I would check out a few trades that people were shocked about and see how they have panned out. Some of these deals you have to look at from a sim perspective, but some you have to look from an NHL perspective:

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To Calgary:
Jason Spezza
Ruslian Salei

To Pittsburgh:
1st (Tavares)
Clarke Macarthur
Travis Moen
John Erskine

on paper this deal looks in favor of Pittsburgh. People questioned why the Flames would ever do that because they are a rebuilding team. Spezza is on PPG pace and has put the Flames in a playoff position. Tavares had a hot start in the NHL but has cooled down. Sure Pitts might win this deal long term but so far it has been in the Flames favour. Spezza was injured for awhile in the NHL but has been outstanding since he has returned.

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To Minnesota:
Martin Biron
1st

To Vancouver:
Thomas Vokoun
3rd

At this point when this deal was made, Biron was a starter and a pending UFA in the NHL and CPHL. Grant figured he would sign on an NHL team as a starter but his worst nightmare came true.... signed with the Islanders who just signed Roloson and had 15-year Dipietro coming off the IR. This deal has worked out for the Wild in the CPHL but next year might be a different story. Luckily Minny has Varlamov in the wings but he wont have a starters rating next year. Vokoun is playing really well in the NHL, and Biron is warming the bench/press box really well. Biron should get traded at the deadline, but only time will tell if he becomes a starter ever again.

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To Colorado:
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
Maxim Afinogenov
Josh Harding

To Toronto:
Christobal Huet
Jared Boll
David Moss

This deal was flamed big time, why would someone trade a starting goalie for a backup goalie. Huet was playing terrible and was losing his job to rookie Niemi. From day 1 GM Swayze wanted Huet off the team, he had a rough year and got re-rated lower then expected (69OVR). With the Lundqvist trade out of Toronto Rob was itching for a starting goalie. Another question with this deal: Why would anyone want washed up Maxim and injury prone Bouchard? Bouchard was dealt for sim performer and career year Matthew Lombardi and Maxim has flourished in Atlanta with more ice time, also on career year pace. Maxim has a reasonable contract and should be a top 6 forward next season. Boll is a 4th liner and Moss "hands of stone" is having his worst NHL season ever.

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To NY Islanders:
Rick Dipietro
Tyler Myers

To Montreal:
Evgeni Nabokov

This looked like a robbery by Montreal and a lot of people questioned him taking advantage of the new GM but the deal has really evened out. Dipietro is still a bit of a question mark but if he can regain his form then this deal is a win by the Islanders. Tyler Myers is a complete stud, a franchise D-man and without him being in this deal it would 1. Never get done and 2. Look awful still. I remember the Islanders talking to me about this deal and I told him Tyler Myers is the real deal in my opinion... good thing its worked out. Also a conditional 1st is headed NY's way because Dipietro wont be playing 30 games, another great piece for the rebuilding Islanders.

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To Toronto:
St.Louis, Martin
Klein, Kevin
Halak, Jaroslav
Ovechkin, Alexander

To Pittsburgh:
Lundqvist, Henrik
Frolov, Alexander
Jokinen, Olli
Vlasic, Marc-Edouard
Moller, Oscar

This was possibly the biggest move so far this season. Toronto paid, and paid big time for the great sim player Ovechkin. Lets take a look at this trade in a bit more detail. #1 goalie(lundy), top line winger(frolov), #1 centre(olli), top pairing d-man (Vlasic), decent prospect (Moller). Whenever you trade a #1 goalie in the CPHL and not get one back, you are in DEEEEPPPPP trouble, and Toronto paid big time for this deal. Lets see what Toronto got: top line winger/centre (St.Louis), prospect at the time (Klein), project goalie (Halak), best winger in the league (Ovie). This deal shows that arguably having the best player in the league is not always a good thing. This ruined Toronto this year.

Overall, a lot of these trades have a post that says: "Only time will tell who wins this deal", and the time has come to point out who won these deals. If there are any other deals you guys want to point out please mention them.

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To Columbus:
Vaclav Prospal,
Alexander Ovechkin
Curtis Glencross

To San Jose:
Joe Thornton
Alexander Semin

Another franchise changing moment with Ovechkin in the deal? shocker I know. This deal breaks down into this: 1 top line player for 2 top line players. This deal was questioned because Ovie was having a terrible sim year. Prospal is 'meh' to more then 50% of the league. Thornton and Semin are both top line players and can be argued that they are top 10 in their position in the NHL. Sure Glencross is a nice addition but hes a 3rd line player. This deal potentially is the reason why Columbus is now having a fire sale, would you rather have the best player or depth? This deal is an obvious answer.

Enforcer · 02-21-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

I am bored and figured I would check out a few trades that people were shocked about and see how they have panned out. Some of these deals you have to look at from a sim perspective, but some you have to look from an NHL perspective:

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To Toronto:
St.Louis, Martin
Klein, Kevin
Halak, Jaroslav
Ovechkin, Alexander

To Pittsburgh:
Lundqvist, Henrik
Frolov, Alexander
Jokinen, Olli
Vlasic, Marc-Edouard
Moller, Oscar

Apologies Rob, but this one is my Riseborough nominee right now. Or maybe that could be renamed the Sutter nominee if history repeats itself?

From a Stars perspective.....

Oshie, Niittymaki, Jonathan Blum and Josefsson to MTL for Hiller and a 3rd round pick.

Habs weren't robbed in this one. I'll call this deal well timed for me. Trade was made on January 15th. January 31st, Hiller signs a big extension with Anaheim and Giguere gets traded to TOR.

Since you listed Afinogenov in yours, I'm proud to say I dumped him late last season for 2 3rd's and a 4th. Figured he had to be dumped, waiving to the AHL was not an option thanks to that damn 50% AHL deal.

Swayze11 · 02-21-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Enforcer

Apologies Rob, but this one is my Riseborough nominee right now. Or maybe that could be renamed the Sutter nominee if history repeats itself?

From a Stars perspective.....

Oshie, Niittymaki, Jonathan Blum and Josefsson to MTL for Hiller and a 3rd round pick.

Habs weren't robbed in this one. I'll call this deal well timed for me. Trade was made on January 15th. January 31st, Hiller signs a big extension with Anaheim and Giguere gets traded to TOR.

Since you listed Afinogenov in yours, I'm proud to say I dumped him late last season for 2 3rd's and a 4th. Figured he had to be dumped, waiving to the AHL was not an option thanks to that damn 50% AHL deal.

Thats a good one, I think I was one of the only ones that liked it in your favour. A lot of people mentioned that Hiller was never a starter.... hes looked great in the olympics and will be the starter for the Ducks for years to come because of the lack of goalie prospects. Oh wait Pogge is on the Ducks now

simmer2 · 02-21-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

Thats a good one, I think I was one of the only ones that liked it in your favour. A lot of people mentioned that Hiller was never a starter.... hes looked great in the olympics and will be the starter for the Ducks for years to come because of the lack of goalie prospects. Oh wait Pogge is on the Ducks now

Ya the timing on this deal was heavily in the Stars favour. Had I waited 2 more weeks Hiller's value would have been higher....I'm still happy with the return I got, but it wasn't as much as I could have gotten. TJ Oshie will be a future captain of the Blues IMO so he's still a heck of a hockey player...I could have likely got Markstrom out of Matt though, that's my guess anyways.

Flickered Flame · 02-22-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

To Calgary:
Jason Spezza
Ruslian Salei

To Pittsburgh:
1st (Tavares)
Clarke Macarthur
Travis Moen
John Erskine

on paper this deal looks in favor of Pittsburgh. People questioned why the Flames would ever do that because they are a rebuilding team. Spezza is on PPG pace and has put the Flames in a playoff position. Tavares had a hot start in the NHL but has cooled down. Sure Pitts might win this deal long term but so far it has been in the Flames favour. Spezza was injured for awhile in the NHL but has been outstanding since he has returned

I spoke to 4 different gms about the offer from the Pens, 2 were for it and 2 were against it. For me it was pretty simple to make the trade. Last year I finished 23-53-10 and was probably well on my way to going there again. Losing is no fun. I had very little fun with the game last year and didn't want to go through it again. I had few assets to get involved in trading but that first overall pick (JT) helped me get where I am today. Jason Spezza is a legit #1 center imo and he is having another good year. In the sim, he and Kunitz are carrying the Flames offensively. I didn't want to wait another 2 or 3 years to get better. I want to try to be competitive and make the playoffs every year and this deal has made it happen this year, so far.

MJK · 02-22-2010, 10:01 AM

To Columbus:
Vaclav Prospal,
Alexander Ovechkin
Curtis Glencross

To San Jose:
Joe Thornton
Alexander Semin

I don't remember this deal being flamed. I took a gamble on Ovechkin and it didn't pay off. The funny thing is I have more depth now because of that move.

Anyone who looks at trades on an individual basis does not completely understand how my trading philosophy goes.

If you look at the Jackets when I joined and compare them to what they are today, there is no comparison.

My missing the playoffs is simply attributed to so many players coming and going I often didn't have time to look for good lines or chemistry.

Goffie · 02-22-2010, 10:22 AM

To Calgary:
Jason Spezza
Ruslian Salei

To Pittsburgh:
1st (Tavares)
Clarke Macarthur
Travis Moen
John Erskine

on paper this deal looks in favor of Pittsburgh. People questioned why the Flames would ever do that because they are a rebuilding team. Spezza is on PPG pace and has put the Flames in a playoff position. Tavares had a hot start in the NHL but has cooled down. Sure Pitts might win this deal long term but so far it has been in the Flames favour. Spezza was injured for awhile in the NHL but has been outstanding since he has returned.

This deal also saw Koivu head to the Flames. It was never really flamed on either end and I think that it was pretty well split down the middle in terms of GM's liking it more for one side then the other. It has definetely worked out for the Flames as they are much better this season. Spezza has always been a sim stud that put up massive numbers. There were just too many players on my team and he was the one who ended up having to go. The way my team is playing I could certainly use a guy like him now.

Swayze11 · 02-22-2010, 10:27 AM

Sorry guys, I should really change the thread title.... I don't mean flamed in a bad way. I meant that the deal had a lot of discussion.

Goffie · 02-22-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

Sorry guys, I should really change the thread title.... I don't mean flamed in a bad way. I meant that the deal had a lot of discussion.

No need to change the title...This thread is getting lots of discussion going now and that is a good thing!!

Prototype · 02-22-2010, 10:46 AM

The Ovechkin deal was a tough one, but one I went into knowing I would have to pay. He's the best player in the NHL, but we are really seeing how that translates into the CPHL. I don't know how the rag-tag team I have right now can play better than the one that I had at the begining of the season.

The bottom line with that trade was I wanted Ovechkin, and if I win the Worst Trade award for getting him, so be it. I knew going in I would have to pay, and I think I cut my losses as soon as I could. I'm not out of the playoff picture just yet do to an amazing run, and playing 5-10 games less than almost everyone in the league.

There's still a chance. But it may have been an easier season had I not tried to go after Ovechkin.

MJK · 02-22-2010, 10:54 AM

No one should win the Riseborough by trading for Ovechkin.

Sylvanfan · 02-22-2010, 11:14 AM

On the flip side I'm beginning to think no one should win the Risebrough for trading Ovechkin either. It's just odd how he hasn't produced in the SIM even though he is rated as the top player.

CMPunk · 02-22-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

On the flip side I'm beginning to think no one should win the Risebrough for trading Ovechkin either. It's just odd how he hasn't produced in the SIM even though he is rated as the top player.

About damn time people started seeing things my way

Do I get to give back my tropheys now?

JiriHrdina · 02-22-2010, 01:00 PM

I would take back the Vokoun deal in a heart-beat. Although the kid I picked with that 1st (Chris Kreider) is looking real good so far. But my goaltending is a mess for next year.