PGT: USA 5 - Canada 3

[Johnny Canuck]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You don't start Luongo over Broduer. You want to win right?

Yo Mel. I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish but Bob Cole was the biggest homer of all time!

Jokes aside. I don't see how Luongo doesn't play the next game, nor do i see how Iginla is left off the top line. I think both need to happen if Canada is going to see any sort of success.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck

Yo Mel. I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish but Bob Cole is the biggest homer of all time!

Jokes aside. I don't see how Luongo doesn't play the next game, nor do i see how Iginla is left off the top line. I think both need to happen if Canada is going to see any sort of success.

Well the next game is against Germany...play Broduer, low risk, see if he can improve his game...if not stick crappy lou in and cross your fingers

[T@T]

I know people will point to Babcocks cup win and 2 trips to the finals that I'm wrong in saying this but..

Bad bad decisions make him a putz IMO. I don't need to go into the treating of Iginla (that speaks for itself) but the love affair with guys that are clearly struggling like Nieds,Pronger,Boyle,Thornton,Getzlaf and Perry has to stop.

Niedermayer - not even close to the Dman he once was. hasn't been all season.
Pronger - His mind must still be in Philly because his body looks like a statue out there.
Boyle - If there were targets on peoples legs he would win the accuracy award. get a shot threw dammit.
Thornton - tough physical games where no team will just "give" the room to you..not surprized
Getzlaf - thought he would be better. looks lazy out there.
Perry - moron award for hockey smarts is the best way to describe him.

Yet the wonderfull coach Babcock has these guys playing the most minutes.

Last minute of play,USA on their heals for 2 minutes and he doesn't call a timeout to draw up a plan and to at least get Crosby on the ice as the 6th man is beyond bad coaching..it's ######ation.

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[Kesler17]

Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck

Yo Mel. I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish but Bob Cole was the biggest homer of all time!

Jokes aside. I don't see how Luongo doesn't play the next game, nor do i see how Iginla is left off the top line. I think both need to happen if Canada is going to see any sort of success.

Your trying to reason with a guy that is the bigger Luongo hater and someone that makes bold mindless predictions

[Stats87]

This isn't hindsight, these are the changes I wanted to make when the team was first picked.

Morrow -> St.Louis (has been excellent all year)
Bergeron -> B. Richards or Lecavalier
Perry -> Stamkos (Perry is only on team because of Getzlaf)
Boyle -> Green (could really use him on PP, Boyle just as suspect defensively)
Pronger -> Bowmeester (point totals not a reflection of skill level, Pronger is too slow and makes terrible decisions)

I was fine with Niedermayer being on the team because I thought he would do better on Canada with less ice time and responsibility...clearly not.

[Sainters7]

Bouwmeester > Niedermayer. Was a great player in the past, but he has no make-up speed anymore. Gave up multiple ugly odd man rushes tonight. And I still maintain if Green was on the team our PP wouldn't be our #1 issue right now. 38 goals, how do you leave that off the roster?

[Stats87]

J-Bo not making the team may have been the biggest mistake. Yes his point totals are down, but defensively he is still very good and his puck-moving abilities are invaluable.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Well the next game is against Germany...play Broduer, low risk, see if he can improve his game...if not stick crappy lou in and cross your fingers

I don't like Luongo, but I concede that he is a very good goalie. Frankly, I don't see how he can be any worse than Brodeur was tonight, so we might as well give him a chance. All he has to do is play solid in net and I think he is quite capable of doing that.

[Stats87]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I don't like Luongo, but I concede that he is a very good goalie. Frankly, I don't see how he can be any worse than Brodeur was tonight, so we might as well give him a chance. All he has to do is play solid in net and I think he is quite capable of doing that.

At the very least we know Luongo won' t be super aggressive in playing the puck.

Tonight on those goals Canada needed a butterfly goalie, not necessarily Luongo, just a solid butterfly positional goalie.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I don't like Luongo, but I concede that he is a very good goalie. Frankly, I don't see how he can be any worse than Brodeur was tonight, so we might as well give him a chance. All he has to do is play solid in net and I think he is quite capable of doing that.

Pretty much. At this point even the most die hard "I hate Lou" posters should be able to realize that after Martie's performance tonight it's not like Lou could possibly do any worse.

For the realist Brodeur was given every opportunity and played himself out of the starting job tonight, no debating that with 2 other world class goalies ready to take the position.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Stats87

This isn't hindsight, these are the changes I wanted to make when the team was first picked.

Morrow -> St.Louis (has been excellent all year)
Bergeron -> B. Richards or Lecavalier
Perry -> Stamkos (Perry is only on team because of Getzlaf)
Boyle -> Green (could really use him on PP, Boyle just as suspect defensively)
Pronger -> Bowmeester (point totals not a reflection of skill level, Pronger is too slow and makes terrible decisions)

I was fine with Niedermayer being on the team because I thought he would do better on Canada with less ice time and responsibility...clearly not.

I still think it was a huge mistake to leave Phaneuf off this team, there are no defenseman on this team that strikes fear into opposing players, there best hitter (Weber) isn't hitting. Phaneuf would have been a great nuclear deterent even with low icetime. Same goes for Regehr.

I said before the selection I would be really worried if both were left off and I really feel this way now that I see how bad some of our D is playing.

[Philly06Cup]

More than anything else, I'm disappointed at the Canadian Defense.

Pronger has looked much worse than he usually does.
Niedermayer looks constantly out of position.
Boyle hasn't been effective at either end of the ice.
Seabrook barely gets any minutes.

This has been ongoing for all three games. Depth on defense was supposed to be Canada's best asset, and it isn't showing. Weber has probably been the best D-man, with Doughty next. That is not a good thing.

[Stats87]

Originally Posted by T@T

I still think it was a huge mistake to leave Phaneuf off this team, there are no defenseman on this team that strikes fear into opposing players, there best hitter (Weber) isn't hitting. Phaneuf would have been a great nuclear deterent even with low icetime. Same goes for Regehr.

I said before the selection I would be really worried if both were left off and I really feel this way now that I see how bad some of our D is playing.

I can't give an unbiased answer in regards to Phaneuf, so I'll leave that alone.

However, I totally agree about Weber, he really needs to step it up physically.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by T@T

I still think it was a huge mistake to leave Phaneuf off this team, there are no defenseman on this team that strikes fear into opposing players, there best hitter (Weber) isn't hitting. Phaneuf would have been a great nuclear deterent even with low icetime. Same goes for Regehr.

I said before the selection I would be really worried if both were left off and I really feel this way now that I see how bad some of our D is playing.

I agree. We can all say that Phaneuf isn't good enough defensively, and perhaps that is true, but you can probably shield him pretty well by only giving him 10-12 minutes of ice time and letting him crush opposing players as they try to enter the zone. The physical element of this team is really lacking and it's something that I really felt should be one of Canada's greatest advantages.

[HPLovecraft]

Babcock is the coach, people. He likely actively tells these guys NOT to hit. Look at the team he coaches in Detroit.

[Coach]

i think that Iggy needs to go back to his old CCM helmet, or at least back to the Bauer. He looks like a mentally challenged 5 year old with that Easton thing on his head

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Babcock is the coach, people. He likely actively tells these guys NOT to hit. Look at the team he coaches in Detroit.

Been thinking this since the team was named. An NHL team that is known to be one of the less physical teams in the league and we are surprised when a lot of Canada's biggest hitters were left of the roster and the few named to the team are not hitting.

Can't say I'm surprised.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

You mean like the Canucks? Other than the Sedins, it's a team of 3rd and 4th liners.

Mason Raymond, Pavol Demitra and Ryan Kesler would like a word with you.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MattyC

i think that Iggy needs to go back to his old CCM helmet, or at least back to the Bauer. He looks like a mentally challenged 5 year old with that Easton thing on his head

Nothing to do with his helmet, his eyes are still cross-eyed after hearing the coach tell him he doesn't need to score goals for this team.

[OutOfTheCube]

Miller is so good. I love him.

I feel like wearing my Miller jersey out tomorrow just to piss people off, haha.