Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

He should be angry at the hypocrisy of society.

Men and women cheat on there spouses.

Tiger is an "Alpha Male" because of his wealth and status.

Therefore, he gets access to whatever females he wants.

Elin would not have married, procreated or even talked to Tiger if he was just a regular guy with a regular job making minimum wage.

Tiger, has nothing to apologize for.

Funny thing is people with argue with this,sad part is you are 100% correct.

Personally I don't feel bad for Elin at all, she used her looks get a rich husband, years ago we called them "tire biters". We don't know the whole story, maybe she stopped "being a wife", maybe she stopped being "exciting" who knows?

Who I do feel sorry for is the kids, a family like this is never left alone.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

He has two children. This can't be good for them.

If he had 4 children and was never married there would be absolutely no story here.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by HOOT

You honestly believe he made his money because of his image?

Tiger could have been the biggest d-ck for the past decade and he would still have every penny of that. He gets paid to play and win golf tournaments, not to be an all-American. If that's the case Tim Tebow should be a multi-billionaire in the next few years.

Golf is an image driven sport, at least with marketing. Success is obviously important, but selling yourself as a respected figure is just as important. I said it earlier in the thread, but it seems worth repeating, the money in golf from a marketing stand point doesn't come from the average golfer. It comes from the ultra-rich country club types.

These people probably have their own skeletons in the closet, but they are incredibly image conscious, which makes the blow to tiger all that more severe. Winning tournaments again will help, but there's now a stigma attached to Tiger and among the people who are rich enough to really push the margins for sponsors that is a huge issue.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by valo403

I said it earlier in the thread, but it seems worth repeating, the money in golf from a marketing stand point doesn't come from the average golfer. It comes from the ultra-rich country club types.

The "ultra-rich country club types" don't drive the Buick over to the golf superstore to buy Nike clubs off a rack.

[Mtt48]

That speech was completely plagiarized from when I was 7 and took some cookies from the cookie jar. What a weird apology??

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Completely and utterly false....couldn't be more wrong. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...55141?verify=0

Okay. I read the link.

sexual addiction is defined as ...: 1) recurrent failure to control the sexual behavior, and 2) continuation of the sexual behavior despite significant harmful consequences.

I think this condition has gone vastly beyond epidemic and may be the most common illness in the world.

Come on. Beyond the breaking the vows of his marriage and the effects on his children, who among us wouldn't have this "sexual addiction"? If you were as athletic, popular and rich as Tiger Woods, what percentage of men would be faithful to one partner or abstinent?

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by T@T

We don't know the whole story, maybe she stopped "being a wife", maybe she stopped being "exciting" who knows?

When I hear a guy complain that his wife isn't interested in being a "wife" as you say, the first thing I think is, how much of a "husband" is he being... just saying.

[transplant99]

Come on. Beyond the breaking the vows of his marriage and the effects on his children, who among us wouldn't have this "sexual addiction"? If you were as athletic, popular and rich as Tiger Woods, what percentage of men would be faithful to one partner or abstinent?

Is that not enough right there? When you cannot control a behaviour that in turn destroys a family, then it is a serious problem. Not unlike addictions to drugs or gambling or alcohol. If you cant stop doing something they is destructive, it seems to me that it is a problem.

And if you are saying that every wealthy/famous person alive is cheating on their spouses, I say nonsense. Many many people have the ability to control their behaviour regardless of bank accounts or celebrity status. I will agree when you are a young, virile, celebrity, the chance to stray comes about all the time, that doesn't mean you have to make the wrong choice however.

If tiger was a single man this wouldnt even be in the news, but he isnt and his clean cut image and his decidedly "i will be a role model" attitude in shaping his own brand, makes this a serious problem beyond what his children will grow up knowing. It hurt his foundation which does amazing things for children, he hurt his mother, he hurt his business partners and he hurt many fans who held him in (unreallistically) high regard...all because they bought into what he was selling.

That has nothing to do with fame or fortune...and everything to do with selfish decisions.

[Devils'Advocate]

I agree with every single sentence that you wrote. Except that I believe that most red blooded males are addicted to sex and will do very destructive things to get it. I don't think that it is "disorder".

As civilized humans we should be able to control primal urges and Tiger could not do that. He was weak and could not control his behaviour. I buy that. That he has a mental disorder keeping him from controlling his behaviour, I don't buy.

[transplant99]

That he has a mental disorder keeping him from controlling his behaviour, I don't buy.

He just spent 7 weeks in rehab for it and is heading back in for more today...if it is not a problem for him...then why is he wasting his time?

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He just spent 7 weeks in rehab for it and is heading back in for more today...if it is not a problem for him...then why is he wasting his time?

That's a financial/PR. decision.

[Devils'Advocate]

That could well be it Pinner, but it's also possible that he is deluding himself.

"I do bad things because I am sick" is easier to tell yourself than "I do bad things because I am a bad person".

[valo403]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The "ultra-rich country club types" don't drive the Buick over to the golf superstore to buy Nike clubs off a rack.

Nope, they make multi-million dollar deals at a much higher level than retail. I guess you missed the point.

BTW, in terms of domestic vehicles Buick's are relatively high end. I've seen plenty of escalades at country clubs in the greater NYC area, that's the market Buick is trying to claim. Same goes for Nike chasing the guys who buy new clubs every year.

You're right though, Nike's more concerned with the average golfer who buys middle of the road clubs every 5 years as opposed to the guys who buy top of the line clubs every spring.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pinner

That's a financial/PR. decision.

Tiger has more money than some banana republics. He doesnt need anymore money nor does he need to go to rehab to acquire it.

Maybe he is doing this purely for image purposes, but again i think 7 weeks would have been plenty in that case.

I think the guy got into counselling and started to understand things about himself, and he didnt like what he was seeing. Now he is looking for the tools to fix himself....and rehab will provide those.

"I do bad things because I am sick" is easier to tell yourself than "I do bad things because I am a bad person".

Perhaps, but even then being a "bad person" is something that he is likely wanting to change, and something one could classify as a problem. Now he is looking to change his ways to be a good guy....though it will be a very long journey and one that starts within. probably he has never had to deal with anything like this in his entire life and therefore has not the inner ability to do things on his own...due to never having a "normal" childhood or even adulthood. He has been in the spotlight since he was 2 years old...tough way to develop.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Tiger has more money than some banana republics. He doesnt need anymore money nor does he need to go to rehab to acquire it.

Maybe he is doing this purely for image purposes, but again i think 7 weeks would have been plenty in that case.

I think the guy got into counselling and started to understand things about himself, and he didnt like what he was seeing. Now he is looking for the tools to fix himself....and rehab will provide those.



Perhaps, but even then being a "bad person" is something that he is likely wanting to change, and something one could classify as a problem. Now he is looking to change his ways to be a good guy....though it will be a very long journey and one that starts within. probably he has never had to deal with anything like this in his entire life and therefore has not the inner ability to do things on his own...due to never having a "normal" childhood or even adulthood. He has been in the spotlight since he was 2 years old...tough way to develop.

He doesn't NEED more money, but I guarantee you he WANTS more money.

I don't think you can say definitively that he was sincere with that apology or that it was all a ploy, that's not something we can figure out from watching a press conference.

[transplant99]

He doesn't NEED more money, but I guarantee you he WANTS more money.

Sure...but spending more than 2 months in a rehab clinic isnt going to garner it for him.

I don't think you can say definitively that he was sincere with that apology or that it was all a ploy, that's not something we can figure out from watching a press conference.

I think it's safe to assume he is sorry for hurting his family, but beyond that i dont claim anything either way but to say, he has a problem and it has cost him a whole lot more than just money.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He just spent 7 weeks in rehab for it and is heading back in for more today...if it is not a problem for him...then why is he wasting his time?

Can you imagine the tail at the sex addiction rehab resort? It would be like shooting fish in a barrel...

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nope, they make multi-million dollar deals at a much higher level than retail. I guess you missed the point.

I guess I'm still missing the point. What does "making multi million dollar deals at a much higher level than retail" have to do with it? Do they drink more Gatorade while they are at it?

Tiger shills mass produced consumer goods to regular people. Do you disagree with this?

The money got really big when golf became ridiculously popular. Was there a giant increase in "ultra rich country club types", or was there a giant increase in normal people watching golf, in a large part due to this Tiger character?

Originally Posted by valo403

BTW, in terms of domestic vehicles Buick's are relatively high end. I've seen plenty of escalades at country clubs in the greater NYC area, that's the market Buick is trying to claim. Same goes for Nike chasing the guys who buy new clubs every year.

They are relatively high-end when you don't compare them to anything but American cars. In other words, they are not high-end at all.

Originally Posted by valo403

You're right though, Nike's more concerned with the average golfer who buys middle of the road clubs every 5 years as opposed to the guys who buy top of the line clubs every spring.

I gotta admit, I don't know much about golf equipment. Is Nike considered "top of the line"? Is Nike what the money-is-no-object crowd buys? I saw some Nike clubs and shoes at Sport Chek. Is that the best place for golf clubs? Is that where the pros, the millionaires and the ultra-rich shop?

[transplant99]

BTW, in terms of domestic vehicles Buick's are relatively high end. I've seen plenty of escalades at country clubs in the greater NYC area, that's the market Buick is trying to claim. Same goes for Nike chasing the guys who buy new clubs every year

Just noticed this...you are aware that Escalades are made by Cadillac...right?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Just noticed this...you are aware that Escalades are made by Cadillac...right?

Ha ha. NM.