12 year old girl arrested, handcuffed in school..for doodling on a desk

[Radically Red]

to many "experts" who have never been a parent are dictating how to raise kids these days. it will only get worse.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

You can tell with the ghetto hoop rings she is bad news.


It was also premeditated vandalism. She knew she would get some sort of punishment for vandalism, the school simply just took it to the next level.

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Premeditated vandalism??? For writing her friends names on a desk? LMAO!!!

And ghetto hoop rings...no sterotyping there at all.

Just...wow.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Naw, you were right the first time. The logical consequence is the strap.

True but with all the bleeding heart liberals in society, corporal punishment will never return to the education system.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Rerun

True but with all the bleeding heart liberals in society, corporal punishment will never return to the education system.

It is the end of Western Civilization. Whats next? Calling a friend on company time?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by nik-

You're just becoming a caricature of yourself at this point and it's pretty laughable.

Premeditated vandalism? haha Ghetto hoop earings? rofl, jesus man.

The article says she knew she would get punished = premeditation.

She defaced public property = vandalism.

Where I went to school... premeditation + vandalism = premeditated vandalism.

Just because she is 12 years old doesnt mean its not vandalism.

Let me guess, you would rather they send the kids for a usefull "time out" in the corner haahhaahhaa.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Rerun

True but with all the bleeding heart liberals in society, corporal punishment will never return to the education system.

Sorry, I don't want an underpaid frustrated teacher to have the ability to physically punish kids. This has nothing to do with me being a "bleeding heart liberal".

[nik-]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

The article says she knew she would get punished = premeditation.

She defaced public property = vandalism.

Where I went to school... premeditation + vandalism = premeditated vandalism.

Just because she is 12 years old doesnt mean its not vandalism.

Let me guess, you would rather they send the kids for a usefull "time out" in the corner haahhaahhaa.

First off, knowing you will get punished for something doesn't equal premeditation, it equals the mental capacity to understand right and wrong.

Second, she wrote on a desk, she didn't cut someone in the face with a box cutter.

Third, detention and punishment is fine, handcuffs on a 12 year old girl isn't.

But by all means, keep up the "hard ass right winger" persona you seem to thrive on.

[tripin_billie]

Oh, by the way, I am not at all in favor of corporal punishment, and I really don't think that many teachers would be.

What I am in favor of is giving teachers support when parents demand their jobs for giving their precious snowflake detention, or a B, or whatever it is these days.

I don't get why people are defending this.

She clearly damaged (permanently or not) property that was not hers. She knew it was wrong. She knew she would get punished, clearly didn't care and did it anyway.

I am sure your tune would change if you got up and it was written on your garage door or on the windshield of your car.

Handcuffs? Excessive maybe. But I am willing to bet there is a lot of background we aren't hearing about.

Maybe now she'll think twice about defacing or otherwise damaging property that is not hers.

[The Yen Man]

Here's the thing with the media. It's always skewed as much as possible in one direction in order to get the general public whipped up in a frenzy. For all we know, there could have been a lot of other stuff going in the background with this girl that is not being reported, and the "doodling" was a tipping point. This is usually how it's done with the media. Try to paint the "victim" in as good light as possible to sensationalize the story.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

I don't get why people are defending this.

She clearly damaged (permanently or not) property that was not hers. She knew it was wrong. She knew she would get punished, clearly didn't care and did it anyway.

I am sure your tune would change if you got up and it was written on your garage door or on the windshield of your car.

Handcuffs? Excessive maybe. But I am willing to bet there is a lot of background we aren't hearing about.

Maybe now she'll think twice about defacing or otherwise damaging property that is not hers.

12 year old kids tend to do irrational things from time to time. We don't call in the cops to throw them in the slammer. Making the girl clean up the mess during break time(or something similar) would have been sufficient...

[tripin_billie]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

12 year old kids tend to do irrational things from time to time. We don't call in the cops to throw them in the slammer. Making the girl clean up the mess during break time(or something similar) would have been sufficient...

Yes, that would be a very appropriate punishment. A common sense punishment.

but then, the school would have gotten an angry call from the parents demanding to know why their precious snowflake was made to do manual labor during her break time. The parents would demand the teacher be fired for punishing their snowflake in such a demeaning way, etc.

So, if you are going to get this kind of exaggerated response no matter what, might as well make the punishment fit the response from the parents.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

12 year old kids tend to do irrational things from time to time. We don't call in the cops to throw them in the slammer. Making the girl clean up the mess during break time(or something similar) would have been sufficient...

Do you really think this was an isolated incident with this girl?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by tripin_billie

Yes, that would be a very appropriate punishment. A common sense punishment.

but then, the school would have gotten an angry call from the parents demanding to know why their precious snowflake was made to do manual labor during her break time. The parents would demand the teacher be fired for punishing their snowflake in such a demeaning way, etc.

So, if you are going to get this kind of exaggerated response no matter what, might as well make the punishment fit the response from the parents.

Those are some great assumptions. We might get a reaction from the parents, so lets do something that will get a reaction from the national media!

This thread rates high on the unintentional comedy scale.

[Huntingwhale]

Hopefully she is jailed for life for this unforgivable crime against humanity.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by nik-

Those are some great assumptions. We might get a reaction from the parents, so lets do something that will get a reaction from the national media!

This thread rates high on the unintentional comedy scale.

Except that this is rather the point. If a teacher does anything to a student the student doesn't like, the parents rush out to find a lawyer. That is exactly why schools are simply calling the police in more and more often. It downloads the fallout from dealing with the problem onto someone else.

Ultimately, a crime was committed: vandalism of public property.

The argument here really is whether the cops overreacted in dealing with that crime, not the school. The school's hands are tied.

[tripin_billie]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Except that this is rather the point. If a teacher does anything to a student the student doesn't like, the parents rush out to find a lawyer. That is exactly why schools are simply calling the police in more and more often. It downloads the fallout from dealing with the problem onto someone else.

Ultimately, a crime was committed: vandalism of public property.

The argument here really is whether the cops overreacted in dealing with that crime, not the school. The school's hands are tied.

Thanks, you stated what I was trying to point out in clearer terms.

It is the threat of lawsuit and the hassle that disciplining has become that pushes schools to just push off the job to other authorities. Especially the teachers, because the administrations usually don't back them up.


Too many people look at schools as government run daycare where their kids should be coddled, because they're precious.

[Rerun]

It all comes down to lack of respect for authority figures (by both children, teens, and adults) in todays society. 50 years ago this wouldn't even have happened.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Rerun

It all comes down to lack of respect for authority figures (by both children, teens, and adults) in todays society. 50 years ago this wouldn't even have happened.

I'm sure people doodled on desks in the good old days.

[Locke]

I for one am going to start the march on the hill!

"Teachers for Tasers!"

Who's with me?

Little Jimmy not paying attention? ZAP!

Is Suzy passing notes? Not anymore, her notes are going to read like Micheal J Fox's autobiography...

I dont know of any behavioural problem that cant be either completely rectified or severely curbed by 50,000 Volts.