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Old 02-17-2010, 01:37 AM   #41
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My point is that if the athletes who are representing our country do well at Cypress, I could care less about the logistical issues involving spectators. If the freestyle skiing was at Whistler, I am sure there would be problems there as well considering what has happened at the Dave Murray downhill course.
I know what you were trying to say but also the other part of the Olympic experience for these athletes is having all those fans cheer for you. What does winning gold feel like when there's no one to cheer for you?
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Old 02-17-2010, 01:43 AM   #42
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I had men's snowboard cross tickets that were canceled. I for one do not believe that they were canceled for safety as stated at all. Essentially the Cypress venue was built for less people then they sold tickets for so the easiest way to solve the problem was to eat a million dollars in tickets rather then deal with the bad press of people being out there in the rain cold with no where to warm up or eat food.

After talking to some people who had cyprus tickets for the early events they thought it was the most misrible experience ever except for the medals. So yes VANOC should have planned better but given the situation they might have made a bad situation better.
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Old 02-17-2010, 01:57 AM   #43
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Vanoc is coming accross as arrogant refusing to admit fault of anything.

Anyone that has done Whistler will tell you they get more snow and better overall conditions but no Vanoc wanted Cypress Mountain. Karma.

Seaside + Ski Mountain + winter = fog and rain.

Vanoc amuses me that they ignored logic.

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Old 02-17-2010, 04:01 AM   #44
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Alex Bilodeau, Maelle Ricker, Jenn Heil and Mike Robertson don't have a problem with Cypress.
Only because it rains on the enemy too!

And your fans, apparently.

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This board is infested with hate (or maybe a bunch of twelve year olds).

We get it you hate everything to do with Vancouver. Move on.
No, you don't get it. I'm here to enjoy the games. Stuff like having my ticket (to men's halfpipe) cancelled makes it difficult. Sure, I'm getting my ticket refunded, but I sold my extra ticket at a profit and I'm betting VANOC's not going to refund me what I would have gotten for it. So yeah, not only do I lose my ticket, I'm losing money as well. It's kind of a kick in the nuts. Even stuff like not having "open in new window/tab" or "back" button on the pages that have the fan-to-fan prices really makes it harder to enjoy the games.

However, I believe I may have done some others a service by warning them about the situation. I'm trying to help others have the best experience they can. It's no different from the party thread.

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Vanoc is coming accross as arrogant refusing to admit fault of anything.
VANOC's communications from the start have been just plain awful. Watch for the 2010 Olympics to become a staple case study for poor communications and reputation management.

And Vancouver as a whole is suffering for it since many people can't seem to separate the two bodies.
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I had men's snowboard cross tickets that were canceled. I for one do not believe that they were canceled for safety as stated at all. Essentially the Cypress venue was built for less people then they sold tickets for so the easiest way to solve the problem was to eat a million dollars in tickets rather then deal with the bad press of people being out there in the rain cold with no where to warm up or eat food.

After talking to some people who had cyprus tickets for the early events they thought it was the most misrible experience ever except for the medals. So yes VANOC should have planned better but given the situation they might have made a bad situation better.
This may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Absolutely hilarious.

VANOC chose to eat a few million dollars? That was a choice they wanted to make? Let's see, what's worse press, cancelling thousands of tickets which is a large public statement, or having people stand around in the cold so they can later moan anonymously on the internet. Which of those attracts more press attention? Which of those does more damage to VANOC's bottomline?

Also convenient of you to ignore the fact that people who were at Cyrpess saw large holes in the now closed spectator area, no safety concern at all
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This article is hillarious pointing out all the things VANOC has failed at.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/olympics/...v=ap&type=lgns
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I remember the games in Calgary having their fair share of problems too. Don't get me wrong, but Calgarians complaining about the weather in Vancouver are being a bit hypocritical.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/01/sp...l?pagewanted=1

While Samaranch was lavish in his praise, pointing out that the longest Winter Games ever staged were free of security and political problems, he did express some concern over the effects of unusual weather.

Warm winds - Chinooks, as they are known - and winds in general forced some events to be postponed and created problems for others. Inaccurate Information

Organizers have defended themselves, pointing out weather patterns for more than 20 years were studied before deciding on the exact location of the events.

Pound took a slightly different view, suggesting that organizing committees from cities seeking the Games may not always include accurate information.

''The only thing worse than an outright liar is a statistician,'' said Pound. ''Some of the best fiction is written in bid books.''

Samaranch said that in the future the I.O.C. would insist upon ''much more strict'' study of proposed locations for various venues.

''I have told those study commissions of the national Olympic committees and the international federations that their reports must be much more concrete and precise than we got here,'' Samaranch said.
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28000 standing room tickets have been cancelled. Crazy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aFGlJZQAK.qE
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Is the normal practice to use hay bales? That just seems a little stupid to me. Anytime it melts those things become a pillow. Could they not use those outdoor ramps?
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VANOC's communications from the start have been just plain awful. Watch for the 2010 Olympics to become a staple case study for poor communications and reputation management.

And Vancouver as a whole is suffering for it since many people can't seem to separate the two bodies.
when is the last time canada had a major sporting event? i would think of the u21 world cup of soccer across the nation. i don't know how good or bad that one was in terms of organizing. but i am not surprised at all vanoc is catching fire every where.

world skills in calgary last sept was a disaster as well.
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I remember the games in Calgary having their fair share of problems too. Don't get me wrong, but Calgarians complaining about the weather in Vancouver are being a bit hypocritical.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/01/sp...l?pagewanted=1
Funny that after that article came out, Lillehammer ended up with the '94 Olympics anyway.
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I remember the games in Calgary having their fair share of problems too. Don't get me wrong, but Calgarians complaining about the weather in Vancouver are being a bit hypocritical.
I don't think most reasonable people are blaming the actual city of Vancouver, or even the weather. The weather is what it is. You can't control it (unless you're Beijing, and you seed the clouds to rain 3 weeks in advance of the Olympics ).

However, there are many things that have gone wrong that could have been controlled. Transportation, venue selection, concessions, ticket cancellations (a direct result of venue selection), using prototype "green" ice resurfacing machines, fencing off the Cauldron with ugly chain link fencing, the Billion dollar athletes village that BC residents are going to be paying for for years....

The city and the spirit of the people is what's keeping these games from being an even bigger disaster.
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I know what you were trying to say but also the other part of the Olympic experience for these athletes is having all those fans cheer for you. What does winning gold feel like when there's no one to cheer for you?
I think what happened was that Vanoc sold way too many tickets. They did this because increasing construction and security costs means the organizing committee needs more revenue. But the problem is that some of the outdoor venues aren't built for standing room spectators. That's an oversight they have to own.
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