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Old 02-13-2010, 01:39 PM   #1
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During the 88 olympics? I know this year they are playing on nhl size ice, but was it olympic size ice in 88?
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This is the first time ever in Olympic history I believe.
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Olympic facts are fun to check out on Wikipedia...

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At the first tournament in 1920, there were many differences from the modern game: games were played outdoors on natural ice, forward passes were not allowed,[13] the rink (which had been intended to be used only for figure skating) was 56 m × 18 m (165 ft × 58.5 ft)[5] and two 20-minute periods were played.[12] Each team had seven players on the ice, the extra position being the rover.[6] Following the tournament, the IIHF held a congress and decided to adopt the Canadian rules—six men per side and three periods of play.[13]
The tournaments follow the rules used by the IIHF. At the 1969 IIHF Congress, officials voted to allow body-checking in all three zones in a rink similar to the NHL. Before that, body-checking was only allowed in the defending zone in international hockey.[139] Several other rule changes were implemented in the early 1970s: players were required to wear helmets starting in 1970, and goaltender masks became mandatory in 1972.[6] In 1992, the IIHF switched to using a playoff system to determine medalists and decided that tie games in the medal round would be decided in a shootout.[140] In 1998, the IIHF passed a rule that allowed two-line passes. Before then, the neutral zone trap had slowed the game down and reduced scoring.[141]
The current IIHF rules differ slightly from the rules used in the NHL.[142] One difference between NHL and IIHF rules is standard rink dimensions: the NHL rink is narrower, measuring 61 m × 26 m (200 ft × 85 ft), instead of the international size of 61 m × 30 m (200 ft × 98.5 ft)[143] The larger international size allows for a faster and less physical style of play.[144][145] Another rule difference between the NHL and the IIHF rules concerns how icing is called. In the NHL, a linesman stops play due to icing if a defending player (other than the goaltender) touches the puck before an attacking player is able to,[146] in contrast to the IIHF rules in which play is stopped the moment the puck crosses the goal line.[146] The NHL and IIHF also differ in penalty rules. The NHL calls five-minute major penalties for more dangerous infractions of the rules, such as fighting, in addition to the minor and double minor penalties called in IIHF games.[147] This is in contrast to the IIHF rule, by which players who fight are ejected from the game.[148] Beginning with the 2005–06 season, the NHL instituted several new rules. Some were already used by the IIHF, such as the shootout and the two-line pass.[149] Others were not picked up by the IIHF, such as those requiring smaller goaltender equipment and the addition of the goaltender trapezoid to the rink.[150] However, the IIHF did agree to follow the NHL's league's zero-tolerance policy on obstruction and required referees to call more hooking, holding, and interference penalties.[151][152]
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Yes. The Saddledome ice is expandable at the expense of 5 rows of seats or something like that. This was done during the 1988 Olympics.
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Yup. The Saddledome was the first major North American arena designed to support Olympic sized ice surfaces.

They went with NA ice for these games because VANOC didn't want to eat the cost of renovating GM Place.
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They went with NA ice for these games because VANOC didn't want to eat the cost of renovating GM Place.
They lied about one cost, what would be one more?
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Yup. The Saddledome was the first major North American arena designed to support Olympic sized ice surfaces.

They went with NA ice for these games because VANOC didn't want to eat the cost of renovating GM Place.
which i'm all for, i hate watching hockey on international sized ice. this will also give Canada zero excuses for not finishing well in this tournament
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Yes. The Saddledome ice is expandable at the expense of 5 rows of seats or something like that. This was done during the 1988 Olympics.

right, the bottom tear of metal seats closest to the ice surface in the lower bowl retract to make it Olympic size ice.
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I thought I heard it mentioned that the Saddledome can no longer roll back the seats to make room for Olympic ice. Something about changing it up during renovations. Can anyone confirm/deny this myth?
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They could do it, but would have to physically remove the club seats in order to do so. They don't fold under easily the way the non-club seats do.
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they roll them back when monster jam comes to town. Or does that not come to town anymore?
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Yup. The Saddledome was the first major North American arena designed to support Olympic sized ice surfaces.

They went with NA ice for these games because VANOC didn't want to eat the cost of renovating GM Place.
I think that was half of it, the other half was that they would be cutting out like 5 rows of seats, which are all going for a few hundred a pop, and close to 1000 for the gold medal game

I don't think its that big of a deal, 90% of the players are used to play on this size ice anyway
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this will also give Canada zero excuses for not finishing well in this tournament
Well, there's always the refereeing.
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I thought I heard it mentioned that the Saddledome can no longer roll back the seats to make room for Olympic ice. Something about changing it up during renovations. Can anyone confirm/deny this myth?
Were the renovations done before or after the 1995 World Juniors? They played the Saddledome games on Olympic ice that year. I think renovations came after that (start of the 95-96 season) but might be mistaken.
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Were the renovations done before or after the 1995 World Juniors? They played the Saddledome games on Olympic ice that year. I think renovations came after that (start of the 95-96 season) but might be mistaken.
Yes, the Saddledome was renovated during the summer of 1995.

If you can stomach it, here's the last game played in the "old" Saddledome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWaviZ62DWI
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Yup. The Saddledome was the first major North American arena designed to support Olympic sized ice surfaces.

They went with NA ice for these games because VANOC didn't want to eat the cost of renovating GM Place.
GM Place was designed to have the international ice surface. It is a sad excuse since other construction has gone over budget. The European countries were not happy with that excuse either. Salt Lake City had the international surface and it is the better size. Bad move by VANOC and it is too bad the IIHF was unable to force them to reverse that decision.
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GM Place was designed to have the international ice surface. It is a sad excuse since other construction has gone over budget. The European countries were not happy with that excuse either. Salt Lake City had the international surface and it is the better size. Bad move by VANOC and it is too bad the IIHF was unable to force them to reverse that decision.
big ice is not better ice. international hockey is boring with all the trapping teams can do with that much ice, now we get to see a faster and more entertaining brand of hockey for these olympics and Team Canada doesn't have to many any adjustments whatsoever. good on VANOC for sticking with that decision
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big ice is not better ice. international hockey is boring with all the trapping teams can do with that much ice, now we get to see a faster and more entertaining brand of hockey for these olympics and Team Canada doesn't have to many any adjustments whatsoever. good on VANOC for sticking with that decision.


I think bigger ice is better. The extra width of 4.1 metres is awesome. Just like I said in another thread on this topic, NHL ice can be boring with trapping teams too. I have seen very fast games on the larger surface. Team Canada had no problems adjusting to the bigger ice in 2002. VANOC, with the NHL size rink, should have asked for the mens hockey to be played with NHL rules and regulations in addition to the NHL size rink.
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