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Yeah_Baby · 02-10-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Rights are Rights until they start having dramatic and seriously negative consequences on another humans life.

Like say the disabled persons rights? Why are they less worthy of rights than you?

Traditional_Ale · 02-10-2010, 04:29 PM

^ In this case, a life that doesn't exist yet?

Also, it is not a guarentee that the disease is passed along. Why don't babies born of HIV or AIDS positive mothers have the disease?

Berger_4_ · 02-10-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Rights are Rights until they start having dramatic and seriously negative consequences on another humans life.

How is a person who's mentally disabled having a (potentially) disabled child have dramatic and seriously negative consequence's on another human's life?

The aide's aren't negatively affected, they chose their job. I don't think feeling uncomfortable around a severely disabled person is really a dramatic and serious negative consequence.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Who are you say what someone can and can't do. Is someone with a disability less human than you are.

Are you trying to propagate the Master Race? Autotuner was just the first step.

I'm not talking about functional, capable people who had terrible luck but still live a rather full life that they get full enjoyment out of.

But there really should be a line drawn. Somewhere.

(And I've talked to a pretty heavily handicapped person who has a kid. He is walked around the mall, while other care givers take care of his child)

transplant99 · 02-10-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Rights are Rights until they start having dramatic and seriously negative consequences on another humans life.

There is no proof because one may have mental ######ation that their offspring will be just as likely to have the same as far as I know.

I think you are the one that should be prevented from reproducing.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Berger_4_

How is a person who's mentally disabled having a (potentially) disabled child have dramatic and seriously negative consequence's on another human's life?

The aide's aren't negatively affected, they chose their job. I don't think feeling uncomfortable around a severely disabled person is really a dramatic and serious negative consequence.

The child who is born with the same condition.

Traditional_Ale · 02-10-2010, 04:34 PM

Forget the flybys and jabs, I'm just going to out and say it:

I think you're a complete effing moron and really wish you were not a member of this forum.

Daradon · 02-10-2010, 04:34 PM

If you are talking about a moral responsibility of the parent to decide if they should have kids then that's a topic worth talking about. If they are worried about whether they may pass something on to their kid, or be unable to properly care for them, it (not sterilazation of course, but the idea of whether or not to have children) probably should be considered.

I know I have a condition and wonder about possibly passing it on to my offspring. I wouldn't want them to go through what I have. Of course, I am still here and while my life isn't picture perfect, it's far from bad, and pretty great most of the time.

However, whatever decision is made, it is up to the person in question, and has nothing to do with society or it's laws. It has to to with one's own beliefs, morals, and the way they see the world.

No other person, and therefore no society, has the right to take this most basic of human rights (procreation) away from someone. It has been tried, and has always had disasterous consequences. Apart from being immoral in principle, it often becomes overused, misused, messed up, and generally causes way more suffering than that it was supposed to stop.

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:35 PM

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CaptainCrunch · 02-10-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

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I don't get it

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Like say the disabled persons rights? Why are they less worthy of rights than you?

Because the chances that my kid is born with a severe disability is much lower then a disabled parents.

Put it this way:

You have the right to have sex. Woo hoo.
Someone else has HIV. Is there right to have sex the same as yours?

No. Not until they tell their partner about the HIV and get consent.

A fetus can't say "go for it" therefore it shouldn't be allowed.

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

(And I've talked to a pretty heavily handicapped person who has a kid. He is walked around the mall, while other care givers take care of his child)

only able-bodied people are allowed to have babysitters/nanny's?

Yeah_Baby · 02-10-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Because the chances that my kid is born with a severe disability is much lower then a disabled parents.

Put it this way:

You have the right to have sex. Woo hoo.
Someone else has HIV. Is there right to have sex the same as yours?

No. Not until they tell their partner about the HIV and get consent.

A fetus can't say "go for it" therefore it shouldn't be allowed.

The Government still has no right to mandate something like that. Daradon has it right on.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The Government still has no right to mandate something like that. Daradon has it right on.

The government mandates sex for HIV positive people. You have sex when you're HIV positive without informing and getting consent from your partner, you're going to jail.

Yes I agree with his post except for when the person is mentally disabled and doesn't have the capability to make a fully informed and thought through decision.

You guys are trying to make me out like I'm Hitler talking about Jews. Holy crap.

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:44 PM

LOL starting to think dj_patm is just some 4chan loser fu#$ing with us...

pylon · 02-10-2010, 04:44 PM

On behalf this tool dj_patm (Dillusional Jackass_Plus A Total Moron), I apologize to you Flames_Gimp. I don't know what else to say. The guy is an idiot, and has no class.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

only able-bodied people are allowed to have babysitters/nanny's?

Stop trying to make me out like a bad guy. I'm not talking about people in a wheel chair, or something like that.

This argument does not pertain to your position at all and is not aimed at anybody that is in a similar situation

HPLovecraft · 02-10-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

The government mandates sex for HIV positive people. You have sex when you're HIV positive without informing and getting consent from your partner, you're going to jail.

Yes I agree with his post except for when the person is mentally disabled and doesn't have the capability to make a fully informed and thought through decision.

You guys are trying to make me out like I'm Hitler talking about Jews. Holy crap.

No, you only sound like Hitler talking about mentally disabled people. I don't know your stance on Jews.

Yeah_Baby · 02-10-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

The government mandates sex for HIV positive people. You have sex when you're HIV positive without informing and getting consent from your partner, you're going to jail.

I think I can go to jail if I have sex with someone without consent and I'm not HIV positive.

Traditional_Ale · 02-10-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

What do you guys think of the deaf parents who purposely make sure their child is deaf.

Or blind parents who make sure the kid is blind?

Or mute parents who cut out the kid's tongue?

Or parents who have bad skin?

Or parents who may perfer the oilers over the flames?