02-04-2010, 02:36 PM
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Proving/disproving the Bible
Is The Bible Fact or Fiction?
An unusually even-handed but lengthy look at the archeological evidence for and against the stories in the Bible.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...3854-1,00.html
Have fun.  
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02-04-2010, 02:48 PM
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02-04-2010, 02:51 PM
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Interesting date on that article.
You must have been reading that at the dentist or doctors' office.
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02-04-2010, 02:51 PM
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Seriously....hasn't CP had enough drama this week?
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02-04-2010, 02:54 PM
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Had an idea!
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Seriously....hasn't CP had enough drama this week?
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I was just going to say.
Nice knowing you CP. 
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02-04-2010, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
Interesting date on that article.
You must have been reading that at the dentist or doctors' office.
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Ha. Interesting. I didn't see that. It was on the front page of the Time site today so I didn't dig any deeper than that. I have no idea why it would be there. Thanks.
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02-04-2010, 03:55 PM
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Here's an easy way to prove the historical accuracy of the Bible...
People that actually met Jesus who wrote anything in the Bible:
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02-04-2010, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyler
Here's an easy way to prove the historical accuracy of the Bible...
People that actually met Jesus who wrote anything in the Bible:
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That's not entirely true. It's possible that Mark is taken from first-hand accounts.
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02-04-2010, 04:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peter12
That's not entirely true. It's possible that Mark is taken from first-hand accounts.
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Man is a marvelous curiosity … he thinks he is the Creator's pet … he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea.
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02-04-2010, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler
Here's an easy way to prove the historical accuracy of the Bible...
People that actually met Jesus who wrote anything in the Bible:
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this is equal to saying:
Here's an easy way to prove the historical accuracy of the Nazi concentration camps...
People that actually met the Jews that set up the concentration camps
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(ps, Jesus didn't write any of the bible, the OT was from pre Jesus, and the NT was written primarily by a few men that spent time with Jesus, and Paul, who was 'visited' by Jesus and stopped persecuting Christ followers to become a Christ follower)
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02-04-2010, 04:17 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peter12
That's not entirely true. It's possible that Mark is taken from first-hand accounts.
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Well sure anything's possible.
Mark gets some pretty basic local geography wrong, which suggest that whoever the author of Mark got their information from wasn't familiar with the geography of the area where Jesus was.
The two separate different accounts of the feeding of the multitude in Mark also suggests Mark being assembled (at least in part) from different oral traditions rather than a first-hand account.
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02-04-2010, 04:22 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Originally Posted by calgaryrocks
(ps, Jesus didn't write any of the bible, the OT was from pre Jesus, and the NT was written primarily by a few men that spent time with Jesus, and Paul, who was 'visited' by Jesus and stopped persecuting Christ followers to become a Christ follower)
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Actually the gospels are anonymous, they don't claim to be written by anyone who spent time with Jesus. And they are pretty clearly not written by illiterate or nearly illiterate fishermen who spoke of Aramaic but by educated Greeks who were writing for other educated Greeks. I don't think any serious biblical scholar thinks the gospels were written by their namesakes, that idea didn't even appear until the 2nd century.
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02-04-2010, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by photon
Well sure anything's possible.
Mark gets some pretty basic local geography wrong, which suggest that whoever the author of Mark got their information from wasn't familiar with the geography of the area where Jesus was.
The two separate different accounts of the feeding of the multitude in Mark also suggests Mark being assembled (at least in part) from different oral traditions rather than a first-hand account.
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Yeah, I've read that it's possible it was assembled in Rome, possibly through translation from accounts of a Christian sect associated with Peter.
As in two different accounts, are you referring to the redacted Resurrection story being added in sometime after the original account?
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02-04-2010, 04:27 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calgaryrocks
(ps, Jesus didn't write any of the bible, the OT was from pre Jesus, and the NT was written primarily by a few men that spent time with Jesus, and Paul, who was 'visited' by Jesus and stopped persecuting Christ followers to become a Christ follower)
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Oops, and about Paul, scholars think only 7 of the Pauline Epistles were actually written by Paul, and think 3 were definitely pseudonymous, written after Paul's death. The other 3 there are varying opinions on.
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02-04-2010, 04:28 PM
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Had an idea!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by photon
Actually the gospels are anonymous, they don't claim to be written by anyone who spent time with Jesus. And they are pretty clearly not written by illiterate or nearly illiterate fishermen who spoke of Aramaic but by educated Greeks who were writing for other educated Greeks. I don't think any serious biblical scholar thinks the gospels were written by their namesakes, that idea didn't even appear until the 2nd century.
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You're going to hell!
On a more serious note, its tough to even talk about this subject with some people.
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02-04-2010, 04:29 PM
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Isn't this specific topic textcritic's bailiwick?
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
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02-04-2010, 04:30 PM
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You know who is a great theologian? Kierkegaard. That basically reconverted me back to a somewhat theistic position.
It's more than literalism or dogma, folks.
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02-04-2010, 04:30 PM
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He hasn't participated in these types of discussions in some time, be cool to hear his input as he's a wealth of knowledge on these matters.
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02-04-2010, 04:31 PM
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Dont feed the flames. Some people believe one thing, others done. Lets just leave it at that and go back to or discussion of who the Flames should have sent packing.
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