Christian Schools Bring Suit Against UC

[Cowperson]

In light of the topic, I thought I would add this from today's Denver Post.

Rather amazing.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_2987098

Cowperson

[89revival]

Enjoy the pit.

[Frank the Tank]

The poll found that 42 percent of respondents hold strict creationist views, agreeing that "living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time."[B]


So 42% of the people polled were complete idiots as well.....hmmmmm...interesting.....

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Aug 31 2005, 01:06 PM
In light of the topic, I thought I would add this from today's Denver Post.

Rather amazing.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_2987098

Cowperson

Yeah I read that too and thought about posting it....amazing.

Most Grade 6 classrooms across the US and Canada teach Mythology. Roman, Greek, Egyptian gods etc etc..... and yet want to teach the fact that the Christian god is REAL!
It should be lumped in with the rest of Mythology.

[nfotiu]

Although I completely disagree with teaching creationism in school, I find it unfortunate for some of the kids. You don't always have a lot of choices of what school you go to. Living here in the south, if I had to choose a school for my kids, I'd have to choose between public schools, which are not very good schools, and are not very safe, or private schools that all seem to have a religious affiliation, but are otherwise very good schools. It doesn't really seem fair to punish the kids for their schools actions.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 10:06 AM
Enjoy the pit.

Really?

I should be afraid of the guilt/punishment mechanism of organized religion? Why?

Let me ask you this:

"If a man/woman leads a life of charity and helping others, loves his/her wife/husband, raises his/her children in that same spirit but is agnostic/atheist, is he/she more or less likely to go to heaven than the man/woman who attends church every week and confesses their many weekly sins, including adultery and deceit?"

The answer that most often comes back is that the latter person isn't a Christian to begin with. . . . . but there seems to be no answer as to why God would deny the former entry to the Pearly Gates, other than those people hadn't fallen to their knees at some point.

I think I'll start a religion that allows for God unleashing the forces of Evolution. I'd clean up in real life since so many would be looking for an "out" of the logic box and I'd go to heaven to boot.

Cowperson

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 12:06 PM
Enjoy the pit.

What does that even mean?

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Aug 31 2005, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Aug 31 2005, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-89revival@Aug 31 2005, 12:06 PM
Enjoy the pit.

What does that even mean? [/b][/quote]
Its the scare tactic used by most religions to keep their sheep in line Frank...LOL

Be a good boy or your going to "insert painful location here". Wow what a thing to teach our young children!

[Frank the Tank]

Well, if I don't beleive in heaven, I certainly don't beleive in hell, so I guess that scare tactic falls a little short eh Cheese?! Haha! Religion is so nutty its funny.

[89revival]

I posted that phrase more as a joke, but if you are religious in any way, that is the bottom line.

The unreligious mind needs to have full blown proof in order to get behind it fully. To a religous thinker, God proves his existence and creation to us every day simply through us being able to breathe, walk, think, and having a conscious etc....

It always amazes me how cocky humans get regarding our explanation (evolution)regarding how things work when we've only been developing theories regarding our origin for what 60 years? Not much time in the grand scheme.......i'm sure humanity will continue to search for explanations for however long earth is inhabited, and the current beliefs will change drastically.

Our children will likely look back and laugh, the same way we laugh at those who thought the planet was flat.

Just my thoughts.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 11:06 AM
Enjoy the pit.

Laugh. Oooooooh scary.

[Blaster86]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 10:06 AM
Enjoy the pit.

I'll see you there.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 12:44 PM
I posted that phrase more as a joke, but if you are religious in any way, that is the bottom line.

The unreligious mind needs to have full blown proof in order to get behind it fully. To a religous thinker, God proves his existence and creation to us every day simply through us being able to breathe, walk, think, and having a conscious etc....

It always amazes me how cocky humans get regarding our explanation (evolution)regarding how things work when we've only been developing theories regarding our origin for what 60 years? Not much time in the grand scheme.......i'm sure humanity will continue to search for explanations for however long earth is inhabited, and the current beliefs will change drastically.

Our children will likely look back and laugh, the same way we laugh at those who thought the planet was flat.

Just my thoughts.

And I find it funny that people just blindly accept something as ludicrous as the bible. You call it cocky, I call it free thinking.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by 89revival@Aug 31 2005, 11:44 AM
I posted that phrase more as a joke, but if you are religious in any way, that is the bottom line.

The unreligious mind needs to have full blown proof in order to get behind it fully. To a religous thinker, God proves his existence and creation to us every day simply through us being able to breathe, walk, think, and having a conscious etc....

It always amazes me how cocky humans get regarding our explanation (evolution)regarding how things work when we've only been developing theories regarding our origin for what 60 years? Not much time in the grand scheme.......i'm sure humanity will continue to search for explanations for however long earth is inhabited, and the current beliefs will change drastically.

Our children will likely look back and laugh, the same way we laugh at those who thought the planet was flat.

Just my thoughts.

It almost sounds like you can't believe in god and evolution if you have a "religious mind".

2000 years, to me, isn't much time in the grand scheme of things either.

But anyway, it's 145 years at least.

[FireFly]

I'm a Christian, and I believe in both. I don't believe in the big bang theory, and I have my own 'explaination' for why the world looks the way it does, without it taking 60 Billion years to make it look that way. (Or however long evolutionists say it took to make the earth look that way.)

A literal interpretation of the Bible is going overboard. There are some things that 'should' be taken literally by those who believe in it, and others, like the story of creation, should be taken as rough approximations.

If you want to get technical, a creationist 'should' believe that the Earth is about 14000 years old. 7000 years for creation, (one per 'day' in the Bible,) and 7000 years for destruction, which we should be nearing the Revelation shortly.

Here's a question for you all who don't believe:

Should the events depicted in the Book of Revelation actually occur, would you then believe?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by FireFly@Aug 31 2005, 12:29 PM
I'm a Christian, and I believe in both. I don't believe in the big bang theory, and I have my own 'explaination' for why the world looks the way it does, without it taking 60 Billion years to make it look that way. (Or however long evolutionists say it took to make the earth look that way.)

A literal interpretation of the Bible is going overboard. There are some things that 'should' be taken literally by those who believe in it, and others, like the story of creation, should be taken as rough approximations.

If you want to get technical, a creationist 'should' believe that the Earth is about 14000 years old. 7000 years for creation, (one per 'day' in the Bible,) and 7000 years for destruction, which we should be nearing the Revelation shortly.

Here's a question for you all who don't believe:

Should the events depicted in the Book of Revelation actually occur, would you then believe?

If it all comes true then I admit I'll believe because I imagine it'll be pretty obvious.

PUt it another way, if this revelation business doesn't come true, will you cease to believe?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by FireFly@Aug 31 2005, 01:29 PM
Here's a question for you all who don't believe:

Should the events depicted in the Book of Revelation actually occur, would you then believe?

And if monkeys flew out of my ass would you beleive I was a wizard?

[Cheese]

Originally posted by FireFly@Aug 31 2005, 02:29 PM
I'm a Christian, and I believe in both. I don't believe in the big bang theory, and I have my own 'explaination' for why the world looks the way it does, without it taking 60 Billion years to make it look that way. (Or however long evolutionists say it took to make the earth look that way.)

A literal interpretation of the Bible is going overboard. There are some things that 'should' be taken literally by those who believe in it, and others, like the story of creation, should be taken as rough approximations.

If you want to get technical, a creationist 'should' believe that the Earth is about 14000 years old. 7000 years for creation, (one per 'day' in the Bible,) and 7000 years for destruction, which we should be nearing the Revelation shortly.

Here's a question for you all who don't believe:

Should the events depicted in the Book of Revelation actually occur, would you then believe?

so what you are saying Firefly is that as a Christian you only have to believe in "parts" of the bible?
You get to pick and choose which verses to read literally and dismiss the rest as allegory or metaphor, without any consistent system for deciding between the two?
That makes sense why Christians are so easily led then doesnt it? IF only pieces of your supposed bible need to be adhered too...and dependant on who interprets them?
If some verses are to be taken literally...and some poetically?<sic> or metaphorically, is that not hypocritical?

[peter12]

Originally posted by FireFly@Aug 31 2005, 12:29 PM
I'm a Christian, and I believe in both. I don't believe in the big bang theory, and I have my own 'explaination' for why the world looks the way it does, without it taking 60 Billion years to make it look that way. (Or however long evolutionists say it took to make the earth look that way.)

A literal interpretation of the Bible is going overboard. There are some things that 'should' be taken literally by those who believe in it, and others, like the story of creation, should be taken as rough approximations.

If you want to get technical, a creationist 'should' believe that the Earth is about 14000 years old. 7000 years for creation, (one per 'day' in the Bible,) and 7000 years for destruction, which we should be nearing the Revelation shortly.

Here's a question for you all who don't believe:

Should the events depicted in the Book of Revelation actually occur, would you then believe?

I'm a Christian and I believe in the Big Bang Theory and the subsequent theory for the way the cosmos develop. One problem I have with the literal interpretation of the 7 day Creation theory is ... why 7 days? If God is completely all powerful why did it take him 6 days and why did he have to rest on the 7th day? If God is god then he should have snapped his fingers and it all would have been done. To me it points to a more allegorical (ie. dumbed down) explanation of evolution for vastly less scientifically advanced people.

To Cheese: Are you saying Christians have to either believe the Bible entirely or reject it entirely? Didn't I read someone else talk about the importance of free thought somewhere in this thread??
I think it's called critical thinking.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally posted by Blaster86+Aug 31 2005, 11:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blaster86 @ Aug 31 2005, 11:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-89revival@Aug 31 2005, 10:06 AM
Enjoy the pit.

I'll see you there. [/b][/quote]
It looks like there will be a lot of us there... I'll bring the nets and someone else the sticks. It'll likely be way too hot for any ice, so it'll have to be street hockey. Anyone else game?

I'm an athiest. However, I try to be a good person. I volunteer as a baseball coach, as a math tutor and at the food bank. I have 2 foster children and give $50/month to Amnesty International. I'm far from perfect, but I try to be. So if the day comes and there really are Pearly Gates and they don't let me in, screw 'em. The ego of such a "God" would make him not worth worshipping in the first place.