Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White - Page 33 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Winsor_Pilates · 01-31-2010, 03:41 PM

I avoided CP all morning, but am surprised how much people hate this move, especially considering how many people were calling for Phaneufs head all season.

Personally, I never wanted to trade Phaneuf, but I actually like this. In today's NHL, you can sign all star players like we did in Bouw. Trading Dion for a first line center might have felt better immediately, but this may help us on more layers, and there's more to come likely as well.

This core needed a shake up, and there it is. The mental changes this could bring to the team may be the biggest gain of the trade.

browna · 01-31-2010, 03:42 PM

Well, the team is more balanced for the short term, assuming these guys step in and do more (remember, we've had a chance in all 9 losses, other then SJ, to tie or win the game with one shot in the 3rd) then the guys they're likely to be replacing, which considering that has been little to none, it can only get better.
Past this year, as is, no, the team is not better right now. But again, with the cap space that this has afforded, certianly come the offseason, it allows the flexiblity to address the needs, and not try and make do with counting on the Moss' of the roster to pull through with hopefully secondary scoring.

Ark2 · 01-31-2010, 03:42 PM

I'm sorry, but this team is a mess on offense. We now have three 2nd line centres, but no true first liner, nor have we addressed the hole on first line LW. So, why make this trade at all? Not only does it not help us for the future, but Stajan is a UFA after this season, and White will have to be re-signed as well. White, by the way, is pretty freaking small. People can talk all they want about how good he is (Hodge actually thinks he's better than Phaneuf, which is a joke) but there's a big difference between playing on a garbage team that expects nothing from it's back end, to playing on a team that is useless without superb defensive play.

I guess what I am saying is, I have no idea how this makes us any better than when we had Phaneuf. Hagman is a great second liner but after that I just don't get it. Mayers for Sjostrom is a wash, we already have a glut of second line centres and White is already playing over his head as it is.

If you must trade Phaneuf, you trade him for a good roster player, a solid prospect and a high draft pick. You don't trade him for a hodge-podge of crap that we don't need. Not one of these players coming our way addresses Calgary's needs. This trade is so one sided it is pathetic.

Walter Reed · 01-31-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

and the total opposite on other teams, rivals suddenly believe a player is amazing after him being overrated, the team he is traded to instantly thinks he's awesome. Crazy phenomena.

If you care to search out my history you'll notice I have always admired Iginla & Phaneuf. I would take both on my team any time any day.

Yasa · 01-31-2010, 03:43 PM

Too bad a players skill is indicated only where they last played and not their activity on the ice. I guess that means if anyone wants players like LeCavlier Gaborik, E. Staal, etc. they better forget it because they're coming from losing teams.

Patrick · 01-31-2010, 03:44 PM

If:

Stajan adds a legit consistent 60 point center whos good at faceoffs and 2 way center now and is resigned for a few more years.

plus

Hagman can score 25 goals a season for the next 2 seasons

White can be a 35-40 point, 20 minute icetime guy and be reliable defensively.

plus

Helps the Flames locker room issues

THis is a solid deal for the Flames.

Last I check, a 60 point young center, a 25 goal winger, a 35 point young defenseman (basically same age as Phaneuf) and less drama is better than hype or a defenseman who gets you 50 points a season and his salary could basically equal the salary for the 3 players above.

868904 · 01-31-2010, 03:45 PM

Trading PHaneuf is like trading a young Brett Hull..

You know he has a chance to develop into a first ballot hall of famer...

Hopefully, it works out the same way for the Flames..

Hack&Lube · 01-31-2010, 03:47 PM

Guys, if you are feeling bad about this, go read some CDC paste and you'll start to like this deal.

Almost all of the CDC pasters think Calgary won the deal and this will make Calgary better.

Leafs · 01-31-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I love Hagman and wanted him on the Flames when he was with Dallas, but calling him a 1st liner and a stud as if he's Phaneuf is massively overrating him.

I agree. He was not even a first liner on our sad sack team (our wingers on the first line are Kessel and Kulemin). At best, he is a second liner.

theExpendable · 01-31-2010, 03:47 PM

this has improved the flames. phaneuf was a cancer in the looker room and is so weak defensivly. we get 2 potentail 30 goal scores and a decent defensman in return. Im seeing this a a major salary cap dumb for the flames as sutter has gotta have something else up his sleave.

Patrick · 01-31-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Great comment on the Fan960:

"Points on another team do not translate to points on this team".

That has been my point all along. If the problem with the offense is the system and aging impact top 6 forwards (which I think it is), then adding two average offensive players like Stajan and Hagman is not going to fix that. If the guys we have right now who should be better on paper are not getting it done, how will average guys like Stajan and Hagman fair?

We need a young forward with potential equal to Phaneuf and I think we really missed an opportunity here.

Sure and "potential" doesnt translate to points either.

Adding 40 more goals, 2 more offensive options and a #3/4 defenseman all for the cost of basically one player is solid.

FlamesAddiction · 01-31-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesfanmicheal

this has improved the flames. phaneuf was a cancer in the looker room and is so weak defensivly. we get 2 potentail 30 goal scores and a decent defensman in return. Im seeing this a a major salary cap dumb for the flames as sutter has gotta have something else up his sleave.

We did?

CaramonLS · 01-31-2010, 03:49 PM

Yikes... get home and this is what I have to see.

Not really shocked about this - given all the smoke that was going around this team, but I'm just wondering if the Flames traded the wrong core player. Phaneuf was probably one of our most consistent core players this season. He was better than Iginla and Regehr on a nightly basis. I sincerely hope it wasn't those two as some have speculated in this thread, as the reasons behind it. If it was, those two should be the ones looking in the mirror and ask some serious questions about how they've played this season. Phaneuf on a lot of nights played with a fire that neither of those 2 guys have anymore.

Overall about the trade... I guess we have to win right now? We gave up a solid prospect in Aulie, which was quite shocking to say the least and have upped the average age on this team by a bit. There isn't a bonified blue chip prospect coming back. There isn't a first liner or top 2 dman or anyone who is likely to surpass their potential. Don't expect much more from Stajan, Hagman or White. They've in all likelyhood hit their peaks.

However, this trade does make the Flames better this season. As for next season, it is a wash at this point. 5 years down the road? I doubt we see any of the guys we got back for Phaneuf playing with the Flames. Hagman IMHO is a 2nd liner, as is Stajan. White is probably our #4 or #5 guy, depending on how Sarich is. Mayers is a throw-in.

I really would have felt better about this if we got a 2012 1st rounder or something. A lot better.

Yasa · 01-31-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 868904

Trading PHaneuf is like trading a young Brett Hull..

You know he has a chance to develop into a first ballot hall of famer...

Hopefully, it works out the same way for the Flames..

Really? You couldn't have picked a defenceman to compare Phaneuf to?

browna · 01-31-2010, 03:50 PM

Thats fine if Hagman and Stajan are 2nd and 3rd liners. They're still better then many of the 2nd and 3rd liners we have now, some of which get top line time.

As Boomer said on the radio, if the Flames would've have those established guys instead of waiting for a Nystrom goal or Glencross, or lighting candles for Lundmark, maybe the 9 game slide wouldn't have been 9, it would been losing 4 or 5 of 9, as in each of those games, the Flames were down by no more then 1 goal in the 3rd (barring SJ).

Short term, as I said, this helps the depth rather then having all the healthy forwards automatically get into the lineup now no matter how craptacular they are playing.

greentree · 01-31-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Infamous1

Who cares what Darryl Sutter says? The guy is a compulsive liar.

I was correcting a misquote, yeesh.
And so what if he "lies"...or doesn't tell media what's on his mind.
Why anyone thinks Sutter or any NHL GM would ever show his hand to reporters is beyond me.

I like this deal. Not a Phaneuf fan.

FlamesAddiction · 01-31-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Sure and "potential" doesnt translate to points either.

Adding 40 more goals, 2 more offensive options and a #3/4 defenseman all for the cost of basically one player is solid.

Your argument folds over on itself. You say that potential doesn't translate to points and then say that we added 40 more goals as if it's fact (and not just potential).

BergyBoy · 01-31-2010, 03:51 PM

Whoa whoa whoa.. Everyone calm down a bit. Does nobody remember this trade?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2242875

Thornton for not one superstar but a bunch of role players. What did Boston get from that. Cap room to sign, Chara, Savard, etc. They now are a playoff team, now if they didn't make that trade they would still be trying for fits to play along with Thornton.

Bring_Back_Oliwa · 01-31-2010, 03:53 PM

Hey Guess who is number 2 on the team in scoring.

That's right Stajan. LOL

If Stajan can get some good chemistry with Iginla and we can resign him I like the trade. But for now we must wait an see.

Badger Bob · 01-31-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blastman

Good riddance, never the same since he signed his big contract, egotistical and ovverated, get over it............

This isn't "sour grapes," but it wasn't until the spoils of the riches when it was more evident. One off-ice incident forever stuck in mind about Phaneuf. His rookie season was great, but he was pouting at the NHL Awards ceremony, after not winning the Calder Trophy. Did he seriously think he had prayer over Crosby and Ovechkin?