Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White

[Sainters7]

This trade just screams to me about what a huge cancer Phaneuf is in that dressing room. Why else would Sutter make that deal? Really unfortunate, as he's got the skills to potentially be a Norris Trophy candidate, but I think he needs to get his head out of his ass.

[renny]

well... all those who were boo'ing him and wanting him off the team got their wishes. Flames will be regretting thie move for a LONG time.

[Muta]

I'm also of the opinion that had he be making $2 million in salary less per year, he'd be returning way more. That said... perhaps we should have atleast gotten a first rounder out of this.

[Vinny01]

I think we will make more moves closer to the deadline.

This just confirms Phaneuf was the problem in the locker room. We added 2 top 6 forwards and a very underrated Dman. Hagman already has 20 goals, Stajan is solid two-way. We dump that cap hit.

I am still in complete shock!

[GreenLantern]

There is more to this trade than what we are seeing, there has to be.

I expect another move to land a big name player.

[ah123]

Thinking more about this...as a fan, I don't like this. I like Phaneuf's potential (of course, I thought Morris was going to be a really good player as well) and I really worry that he is going to be a top player for a long time for the Leafs.

I do think that it makes the Flames better; more depth on the forwards, more flexibility in the future (cap space) and with Gio taking a big step, it made Phaneuf available.

<Sigh>

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

There is more to this trade than what we are seeing, there has to be.

I expect another move to land a big name player.

I'm expecting this as well. Too many forwards, too many questions.

I don't think Darryl's done at all.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by renny

well... all those who were boo'ing him and wanting him off the team got their wishes. Flames will be regretting thie move for a LONG time.

Sutter would not trade his 'son' over a couple of boos. I am thinking Sutter and Phaneuf have a secret agreement on the side. Phaneuf is not worth the 6.5 million right now so he will develop on a crappy Leafs them and when he becomes superstar in 2014, he'll sign back in Calgary. Because he's so awesome, he will carry the entire team on his back to consecutive Stanley cups until he retires in 2050.

[Zulu29]

I know there had to be a big shakeup in the core, but Sutter....for the love of god, couldn't you have gotten rid of Regehr or Jokinen or Langkow or Sarich!?!!??!?!?!?!?! Arghhhhhh.........well my Dion Phaneuf jersey will be relegated to the closet....forever.

[Ren]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I know there had to be a big shakeup in the core, but Sutter....for the love of god, couldn't you have gotten rid of Regehr or Jokinen or Langkow or Sarich!?!!??!?!?!?!?! Arghhhhhh.........well my Dion Phaneuf jersey will be relegated to the closet....forever.

For all anyone here knows Darryl is dotting the i's and crossing the t's for Kovalchuk right now. There are a lot of forwards on this team as it stands, I don't think Sutter is done yet.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Cap space is useless.

Flames aren't getting Kovalchuk or anything of that calibre on the UFA market, they will get a bunch of pluggers - exactly what they need, right??

This is a horrible trade, Sutter got $0.20 on the dollar.

Couldn't even get a draft pick???????????????

We are all going to regret this move for a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

This is worse than the Gilmour trade.

Holy overreact batman! The Flames gave up the best player but unlike the Gilmour trade they got a damn nice return that addresses the needs of this team. If Sutter can get Stajan inked then IMO he just fleeced Brian Burke. Stajan is going to thrive playing with Iginla and is a much better player then what he has shown in TO because he has never had decent line mates there. He is the playmaker we have missed and is good in the face off circle.
Hagman fits this team perfectly, a guy who is signed at a great contract for what he brings, 20+ goals and solid in his own end. Ian White is Mark Giordano version 2. He is a bit small but does not play small and can QB a PP. Mayers and Sjorstrom are a wash and you can let Mayers go at the end of the year. Dion Phaneuf was my favorite Flame but I really like this trade and I think this will get us back on track to being a contender.

[Nuje]

The more I see it, the more I hate it. The Keith Aulie part is the part that I don't care about. It's a panic move, and I think it's pretty much a fact that Darryl Sutter refuses to let a team grow and develop properly. Since he became GM, he was never one to trade a 1st rounder at a deadline, and always spoke of the overpaying that occurs at deadlines. Then when he does give up a 1st rounder, we end up with Olli Jokinen. Good enough player, but not worth his salary, or what we gave up to get him. Now, we have no 1st rounder, so he gives up Phaneuf for a very moderate package of players.....not liking this.

[Machiavelli]

"Like I said...."

Sigh, I will miss that phrase.

[OILFAN #81]

I can't believe that the Flames traded Phaneuf. Wow! I have to think more moves are coming for you guys. I thought Calgary would have got a 1st line forward back for Phaneuf. I'm surprised to see Aulie in the deal as well as he is a decent prospect.

I think Toronto wins the deal (I know people will quote me and say I didn't know what was going on in the room/I don't know what the market was for Phaneuf, etc) but Phaneuf is a 24 year old defenseman who has scored the most goals by a defenseman since he came into the NHL with 75.

Like I said though, I think another move or two will be made by your GM at the deadline.

[shermanator]

Phaneuf's reaction earlier:

Reporter - "Where do you go from here?"'
Phaneuf - "I go to Toronto"

Repeated "I'm excited to be going to Toronto" about 10 times.

[malcolmk14]

I love Ian White, and I am excited to see what he can do here.

That being said, sad to see Phaneuf leave.

I think this makes us a better hockey team.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Let the haters hate we all know they wanted a 'sexy' name in return for Phaneuf, but those who actually pay attention to the large majority of players in the league that aren't on All-Star ballots know the Flames made out very well here.

In a battle of the desperate GMs Sutter ONCE AGAIN proved why he's a witch and one of the more savvy GMs in hockey today.Don't let what Phaneuf has done during this last 3 game stretch fool you.. he's inconsistent and his personality is simply too 'loud' for that room.

He's young, he'll get better, easier to control and more mature. He's what? 23, 24? Probably been your most consistent D-Man this year, has the most upside by a long shot, and will have a very friendly contract by the mid-way point of it. For spare parts.

I said a part of this core had to be dealt, but it had to be an older part. Trading Phaneuf could look like a disaster this year, but it will be a disaster in two to three years when it turns out that this deal may have been Aullie and Phaneuf for White.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Ian White is gonna be a guy Flames fan lean to like very quickly. We got a solid puck moving QB type of player on our back end that plays sound fundamental hockey. He's been a plus player on a BRUTAL team that gives up tons of chances and has below avg goaltending. White was a player we HAD to get back if we were gonna move a D-Man of Dion's calibur.

Have you watched Ian White lately? Did you watch him on HNIC last night? D. Sedin's fourth goal. He's about fundamentally sound as a building built out of balsa wood on sand. Read Leaf forums on the guy. He started great, but he's fallen off. Recently the goaltending in Teronnah have been the least of their problems. It's the bad D-core that was supposed to be amazing. If White was your "must atleast get" mark for a player like Phaneuf... well I can't tell you how sad that is.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Matt Stajan is a perfect fit in Calgary. This guy has great hands, can score or create and he's a solid skater. He's on a 65-70 pt pace this year and I think he's a top 6 fwd that gives you flexiblity with some of your other players. Stajan is young and a sure-fire bet to be a 20-25 goal- 60-70 pt guy annually. Those guys with upside that will go to greasy areas simply don't grow on trees.

Matt Stajan is going to get eaten alive in the Wester conference. He's soft as whipped cream. Every game I've watched of the Leaf's this year he's not been noticable. He benefits from playing with Kessel now, and if Kessel's not scoring then neither is Stajan. Who are you going to put him with? Jokinen? Langkow? Nevermind the fact he's a UFA and could walk shortly.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Than to still get Nik Hagman? Brilliant.

Hagman is the perfect playoff type player. One thing the majority of those Fins do is play sound, gritty 2-way hockey. Lehtninen, Miettinen, T.Ruutu, J.Jokinen, Kapanen. Hagman has 3 STRAIGHT 20 goal seasons, he's a Team Finland Olympian, he's terrific on the PK, and he's a guy that you can use against players like the Sedins, the Kane/Toews line or the Heatley line in SJ.

Hagman is the only player in this deal that makes any sense from a Calgary perspective. Knows the Western Conference, played in a defensive system in Dallas under Tippett. But again, when he gets to UFA, will he stick around?

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Than bringing in Jamal Mayers was shrewd as well. That's 3 guys that can scrap now in McGrattan, Prust and Mayers... so Iggy only has to drop 'em when he wants to spark the guys or a situation just calls for it. Plus, don't short-change Mayers when it comes to potting the odd goal. You see him come down the wing yesterday and just blast a howitzer past Luongo?

Mayers is a plug. You can try and paint him as something else, but you'd be stretching. He's not that good, and he demanded a trade while going goalless for 21. Real team guy. Nice shot last night though, maybe he can do that for the Flames 21 games from now. Make this trade look real good.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

He's got more scoring upside than McGrattan and will be a nice fit playing with Prust as a big, physical line that will generate some chances playing 6-9 mins a night depending on the situation.

He HAD more scoring upside than McGrattan. Then he got older and less good.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

Basically, Sutter cemented our lines and helped shore up the kind of depth you need to make a push in the 2nd half.

On paper. Sutter does a lot of neat stuff on paper though.

Originally Posted by FlamesFan9031

We didn't just dump a prima-donna that wasn't gonna change his spots any time soon and helped locker room chemistry.. but we dumped salary that will give us more flexibility to make other moves down the road. And we became a tougher team to play against that should generate more chances the way the Flames like to.. with EFFORT and HEART.

Could care less about the sexy name coming back.

At the end of this trade the only big thing the Flames get out of this is cap space to chase a UFA in the off-season. A name like Kovalchuk or somesuch to help the offense. I son't think Stajan will help as much as you're praying. Hagman will chip in, but I get the feeling Stajan will be a goat on this forum pretty fast.

Losing Phaneuf for White is going to look like the Gilmour trade in a few years, bank on it.

In other news: Boston is crying but apparently Phoenix is happy as hell

Would I have liked a 1st rounder? Sure. But I'm perfectly fine with this deal. Stajan, White and Hagman are keepers that I hope we can re-sign if they pan out and R.Bourque is a must keep player that we should have money for now.

this is a tremendous trade that I feel, anyway, will help make us a better T.E.A.M.

PS: The major jump by Giordano as a bonafied Top 2 D-Man made his a much easier deal to do as well. I can totally live wih a top 4 of Bouw/Gio/White/Regehr. I still love Pardy as a 5 and would be ecstatic if we can find a contender to take Sarich and his salary and bring back a much lesser priced, but more effective replacement freeing up even more cash.. while getting younger.[/quote]

[Walter Reed]

Interesting to hear Peter Maher say that Flame fans didn't appreciate Phaneuf. His remarks seem to echo a great many Flame fans who were regularly slagging his play this year. If the winner of a trade is the team who got the best player, clearly the Leafs won this. I wish the Oilers had him.

[Flashprod]

Eric Duhatschek echo's what many of us think. It's the Gilmour deal all over again.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1450924/

When did Flames general manager Darryl Sutter start channeling one of his greatly unlamented predecessors, Doug Risebrough?

Brutal deal now. Worse in 5 years when Phaneuf is winning the Norris, and we don't have any of these scrubs playing for us.

I need a drink.

[La Flames Fan]

Can't say I'm not happy. You have to have a reason for this as Sutter...I'm pretty sure there's a reason that we may never know about.