^^^ Leno could have cemented his legacy as one of the classiest guys in Hollywood by refusing to take back the tonight show. The true story doesn't really matter, as his reputation has been tarnished in the viewers eyes. Its not like he needs the money, and I'm sure he would be able to resume his stand up career etc... I think he will be remembered by this debacle for a long time.
Conan shouldn't have asked for the Tonight Show 5 years ago. That was a dirty trick that came back to bite him. The fact that he didn't do the honorable by passing the torch back to Leno (Leno did it when he was being forced out by Conan) just shows how selfish this guy is.
Conan's ratings were in the toilet, he should take some blame for that. Instead he takes over a top rated and legendary show in a dirty way. Turns it in to a ratings loser and then whines and blames everyone for NBC trying to undo the mistake.
He should've taken NBCs offer to move 30 minutes and all people involved would be able to go on. He turned it in to a mess and threw everyone under the bus while doing it.
Elvis Costello? I saw the other guys you mentioned, but I missed him. The Neil Young performance was amazing. And I agree that Conan always had the best music on his show.
I don't think it was Costello. I think it was a guy from the Tonight show band who looks kind of similar.
Edit: couldn't find a picture but I'm pretty sure.
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Conan shouldn't have asked for the Tonight Show 5 years ago. That was a dirty trick that came back to bite him. The fact that he didn't do the honorable by passing the torch back to Leno (Leno did it when he was being forced out by Conan) just shows how selfish this guy is.
Conan's ratings were in the toilet, he should take some blame for that. Instead he takes over a top rated and legendary show in a dirty way. Turns it in to a ratings loser and then whines and blames everyone for NBC trying to undo the mistake.
He should've taken NBCs offer to move 30 minutes and all people involved would be able to go on. He turned it in to a mess and threw everyone under the bus while doing it.
What a sore loser this guy is.
Why was it a dirty trick? Leno agreed to it back then. Conan had leverage because he could have jumped to ABC/Fox and done a earlier show on those channels. He basically said he didn't want to be stuck at 12 the rest of his career and they negotiated and gave him the Tonight Show which Leno agreed to. It would be the same thing as me getting another offer from a competing company for VP and being somewhat loyal to my current employer I would talk to them about it and see what they would counter offer. I am not that mad at Leno because he obviously thought he would be done 5 yrs ago and that was not the case and he wanted his job back.
Leno turned the Tonight Show into a loser at first too. NBC gave him time to build an audience. Not sure if that would have happened with Conan as I think a lot of his fans are internet savvy and just watch it online.
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Why was it a dirty trick? Leno agreed to it back then. Conan had leverage because he could have jumped to ABC/Fox and done a earlier show on those channels. He basically said he didn't want to be stuck at 12 the rest of his career and they negotiated and gave him the Tonight Show which Leno agreed to. It would be the same thing as me getting another offer from a competing company for VP and being somewhat loyal to my current employer I would talk to them about it and see what they would counter offer. I am not that mad at Leno because he obviously thought he would be done 5 yrs ago and that was not the case and he wanted his job back.
Leno turned the Tonight Show into a loser at first too. NBC gave him time to build an audience. Not sure if that would have happened with Conan as I think a lot of his fans are internet savvy and just watch it online.
Leno never agreed to it, he was told to leave. And then in fear of Leno going to FOX NBC held him hostage giving him a primetime show (fail).
After that experiment failed as both struggled with their shows NBC had to either let Leno go outright (suicide) or make a shuffle. Conan refused so NBC let the ratings loser go.
Everybody blames Leno here, but lets face it, it's not Leno's fault that Conan can't compete with Letterman. He can't compete with Leno either ( 2.5 mil versus 5.3 mil viewers).
All this bashing here that old people are dumb and all and Conan's humour is too intelligent for them, but in the end Conan got his butt kicked by two old farts.
Conan belongs on late show where younger people can watch him.
All this bashing here that old people are dumb and all and Conan's humour is too intelligent for them, but in the end Conan got his butt kicked by two old farts.
On this first point, i will agree, partially. NBC dictated to Leno that Conan was to take over in 5 years. Leno did agree to it however, He said himself that he didn't want to do the show into his 60's. if he didn't agree, why wouldn't he just move to Fox himself? I agree with those that said Jay should have declined his old time slot. he knew what that would do to the tonight show and it's legacy. He could have just as easily agreed to do other projects for NBC instead.
As for the bashing of old people, if i remember correctly you were the fist one to state that Conan's low brow humour was just not fit for the tonight show. It was merely pointed out that Leno's jokes are no better. instead of a masturbating bear, they had a masturbating band leader who was always high on pot.
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On this first point, i will agree, partially. NBC dictated to Leno that Conan was to take over in 5 years. Leno did agree to it however, He said himself that he didn't want to do the show into his 60's. if he didn't agree, why wouldn't he just move to Fox himself? I agree with those that said Jay should have declined his old time slot. he knew what that would do to the tonight show and it's legacy. He could have just as easily agreed to do other projects for NBC instead.
As for the bashing of old people, if i remember correctly you were the fist one to state that Conan's low brow humour was just not fit for the tonight show. It was merely pointed out that Leno's jokes are no better. instead of a masturbating bear, they had a masturbating band leader who was always high on pot.
The masturbating bear is all that the a high on pot band leader would ever like about the Conan show. Leno's show was classy enough to keep people watch him. And I must have missed the drug abuse by Eubanks ???
And no, Leno never said anything about wanting to retire. He was being forced to do it and he just played along.
Conan fans would love for Leno to retire, and Letterman too, that way he could win the ratings war.I get that. It's just like Flames fans would love for the Sedins to disappear. Unfortunately the Flames and Conan have to outperform their rivals rather than hope for their demise/retirement.
Leno was not allowed to leave for obvious reasons. How is that Leno's fault again?
NBC should've let Conan go last year. He was never good enough to fill Leno's shoes.
Leno was not allowed to leave for obvious reasons. How is that Leno's fault again?
NBC should've let Conan go last year. He was never good enough to fill Leno's shoes.
First, Leno has made an enormous amount of cash being NBC's bitch over the years. He had the Tonight Show for nearly 20 years and had his time with it. What he should have done is stepped down, moved aside, and NOT agree to an earlier show (possibly splitting Conan's ratings).
He has little respect for others in his line of work, and has lost alot of it from the entertainers in his business. Comedians don't like him and haven't for a long time. He seldom has stand-up acts on (unlike other late night shows) and has the most bland writing.
The problem isn't NBC or Conan his fans, its the humourless f***ing dimwits that liked Leno so much.
Leno is the vanilla ice cream of comedy. Sure, its ok but there is wwaaaaaaaayyyy better.
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I don't think it was Costello. I think it was a guy from the Tonight show band who looks kind of similar.
Edit: couldn't find a picture but I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, Jimmy Vivino. Even though Max is the band leader, I've heart that he and Vivino have pretty much equal roles in the leadership of the band.
I think it was a pretty good last show; the Neil Young performance was brilliant (and I loved him thanking Conan for what he's done for new music), and the Free Bird performance wasn't brilliant, but it seemed like something that everyone wanted because they knew how much it would mean to Conan to get to jam with all of these legends of rock. Conan's sincerity always seems so genuine. I also like the compilation near the beginning of the show, and I think i had seen all but four or five of the clips live. For seven months, he really packed a lot of great moments into his run.
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Hmm...I don't really get what NBC is doing here. I get that Conan's numbers are down, but according to the nielsen's ratings for the demographic group of 18-49, he's been consistently number 1.
Aren't the biggest consumers at this age demographic? I hardly know of anyone around my parents age spending like the way my generation spends.
So sure, his numbers are low, but he's keeping the coveted 18-49 demographic. If I were to focus my marketing on a generation, it would definitely be the 18-49 group.
Conan shouldn't have asked for the Tonight Show 5 years ago. That was a dirty trick that came back to bite him. The fact that he didn't do the honorable by passing the torch back to Leno (Leno did it when he was being forced out by Conan) just shows how selfish this guy is.
Conan's ratings were in the toilet, he should take some blame for that. Instead he takes over a top rated and legendary show in a dirty way. Turns it in to a ratings loser and then whines and blames everyone for NBC trying to undo the mistake.
He should've taken NBCs offer to move 30 minutes and all people involved would be able to go on. He turned it in to a mess and threw everyone under the bus while doing it.
What a sore loser this guy is.
Conan didn't demand the Tonight Show, NBC promised he would get to take over because they were afraid of losing him. all Conan was looking for was an incentive not to take a competing offer that had a better timeslot. and you're still not addressing the fact that Leno also sucked in the ratings when he first took over the Tonight Show. why did Leno deserve to have a few years to build up his audience but Conan doesn't?
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Hmm...I don't really get what NBC is doing here. I get that Conan's numbers are down, but according to the nielsen's ratings for the demographic group of 18-49, he's been consistently number 1.
Aren't the biggest consumers at this age demographic? I hardly know of anyone around my parents age spending like the way my generation spends.
So sure, his numbers are low, but he's keeping the coveted 18-49 demographic. If I were to focus my marketing on a generation, it would definitely be the 18-49 group.
NBC is run by inbred morons, that's why. Zucker needs to be fired. Their whole prime time lineup is in shambles.
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Affiliates... It wasn't how bad Conan was doing, it's how good Jay did at 11:35, and how bad the lead in to the nightly news (Jay) was doing, and not wanting to lose Jay. Conan was collateral damage, who could have stayed, starting at 12:05, but decided that it wasn't right for the show (Tonight Show), and wasn't right for Fallon.
When it comes down to it, the affiates lost money with Jay as a lead in, and if they lose money, they flip networks. NBC then loses money. Something had to be done with how bad Jay was doing in that timeslot.
First, Leno has made an enormous amount of cash being NBC's bitch over the years. He had the Tonight Show for nearly 20 years and had his time with it. What he should have done is stepped down, moved aside, and NOT agree to an earlier show (possibly splitting Conan's ratings).
He has little respect for others in his line of work, and has lost alot of it from the entertainers in his business. Comedians don't like him and haven't for a long time. He seldom has stand-up acts on (unlike other late night shows) and has the most bland writing.
The problem isn't NBC or Conan his fans, its the humourless f***ing dimwits that liked Leno so much.
Leno is the vanilla ice cream of comedy. Sure, its ok but there is wwaaaaaaaayyyy better.
Maybe there's better, but Conan wasn't it. Conan had a hard enough time beating Ferguson in ratings. How NBC came to a conclusion that he was good enough to compete with Letterman is beyond me.
Leno's earnings have nothing to do with this situation. It just shows how successful and consistent he has been. You may not like it along with the younger crowd, but that doesn't matter. The young people of today will eventually get tired of guys like Conan. The act of a College prankster is only appealing to those that can relate to it.
Conan is possibly done, FOX may take him on, but they won't put him against Leno and Letterman. So wherever Conan goes he will at best get what NBC offered him. And let's not forget the drama of him leaving. Leno was screwed out of a job and you never heard from him. Conan dragged the whole network through mud. Does FOX ignore that? If they give in to Conan which seems to be the only way with this guy then they have to put him against the big boys. Can he beat them? No, been there done that. What can they do then, move him 30 minutes? See where I am going with it? Conan is damaged goods now. What do you all think?
Conan didn't demand the Tonight Show, NBC promised he would get to take over because they were afraid of losing him. all Conan was looking for was an incentive not to take a competing offer that had a better timeslot. and you're still not addressing the fact that Leno also sucked in the ratings when he first took over the Tonight Show. why did Leno deserve to have a few years to build up his audience but Conan doesn't?
Leno didn't suck at ratings. Carson didn't have competition, Leno had to go against Letterman. And he won.
