Killing for Jesus

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NSFC (Not Safe For Christians)

Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan were using rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.

The codes were used as "part of our faith and our belief in service to our country," Trijicon said.
"As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," a company spokesman said on condition of anonymity.


Heres an idea...put em all in the Sahara desert, give them all guns. Last man left wins.


Muslims Angry

[Huntingwhale]

Who cares if the US army puts Jesus stuff on there guns? The 'bad guys' always murder in the name of God anyways. Pretty hypocritical of them IMO (although l realize not every Muslim is an extremist, just like not every Christian is in the army).

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't know if its a tremendously big deal.

A Muslim extremist isn't going to be mad about a biblical passage on a gun site, its certainly not going to ramp up their hatred or retoric. They were already calling the American's crusaders long before this came out.

For the ones that aren't extremist, I doubt that it makes a big difference to them either, they're probably more angry that the American's and Brits are actually using gunsights.

To me its no different then some of the stuff that was painted on bombs dropped from planes.

AS a soldier, all I would care about is if the equipment worked properly, they can put gay porn on my gunsight for all I care as long as I can hit my target.

Distastfull . . . sure

A big deal . . . no

[Azure]

Meh. Nothing different from the messages they write on bombs.

And both sides do THAT.

[HPLovecraft]

All religious whatnot aside, if the US wants to actually gain a decent reputation amongst the common folk of Afghanistan and Iraq and not seem like the "Great Crusaders" Osama and the Taliban say they are in propaganda, they MIGHT not want to inscribe their guns with biblical verse.

Just a thought.

Not every person over there is a Muslim extremist. It's stupid because all it does is play into the hands of the actual extremist propagandists that want to spread the ruse that the Americans are trying to fight a Holy War against Islam and the regular peasant folk.

The subtlety of the United States never ceases to amaze.

[worth]

Just a note, this really has nothing to do with the US Military inscribing biblical verses. The Military purchases optics from certain companies, and this company happens to inscribe verses on their sights, as it's just what they've done. Someone in the Military should probably have noticed it and said, cut it out, but really I don't think it's a big deal.

[FireFly]

Conveniently failing to mention that the company in question didn't let anybody else know about the coding so it's not like the US army was doing it on purpose. In fact, they have direct orders AGAINST doing such things. Also not to mention that it's quite likely not all the people using the guns were Christian.

But that doesn't sound so bad, does it? It's much easier to paint the entire army with a brush and say "SEE?! Christians are bad, mkay?" than it is to say "Can you believe a company would do this?"

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

The subtlety of the United States never ceases to amaze.

What does the United States have to do with this? Are you suggesting that the government is requesting this kind of thing?

Surely not.

[HPLovecraft]

So people are saying the United States military who orders these things doesn't have any responsibility in actually checking to make sure what they are getting is what they wanted? Do people think the military just orders gun sights and then they just somehow magically make it onto guns? That nobody in the military sees these guns until they're already shooting people? And then they only notice and care when someone makes a ruckus about it, when it seems a fairly simple thing to look at and say, "Hey, ya know what? Maybe biblical verses on our guns aren't the best things to have on our soldiers while they're out walking around in sensitive religious countries that may construe it a certain way that might not be so good for us?"

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So people are saying the United States military who orders these things doesn't have any responsibility in actually checking to make sure what they are getting is what they wanted? Do people think the military just orders gun sights and then they just somehow magically make it onto guns? That nobody in the military sees these guns until they're already shooting people? And then they only notice and care when someone makes a ruckus about it, when it seems a fairly simple thing to look at and say, "Hey, ya know what? Maybe biblical verses on our guns aren't the best things to have on our soldiers while they're out walking around in sensitive religious countries that may construe it a certain way that might not be so good for us?"

Or maybe it just wasn't noticed because when I see something like:

DWE893HKSU89J3:16

My first thought isn't, "Hey! He's talking about John 3:16!" I just think it's a serial number.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Conveniently failing to mention that the company in question didn't let anybody else know about the coding so it's not like the US army was doing it on purpose."

What does this mean? Where does it say that?

The article states they've been doing it for over a decade. Where do you get the info that they hide this from the government?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So people are saying the United States military who orders these things doesn't have any responsibility in actually checking to make sure what they are getting is what they wanted? Do people think the military just orders gun sights and then they just somehow magically make it onto guns? That nobody in the military sees these guns until they're already shooting people? And then they only notice and care when someone makes a ruckus about it, when it seems a fairly simple thing to look at and say, "Hey, ya know what? Maybe biblical verses on our guns aren't the best things to have on our soldiers while they're out walking around in sensitive Muslm countries?"

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I'm guessing the horrible language in question is probably at the very bottom of a priority list when inspecting and testing the sights.

Do you hear Jewish soldiers, muslim soldiers, atheist soldiers complaining about it?

NO.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

What does this mean? Where does it say that?

The article states they've been doing it for over a decade. Where do you get the info that they hide this from the government?

Well, since it's AGAINST THE LAW, I'm pretty sure they weren't telling anyone...

[Displaced Flames fan]

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[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well, since it's AGAINST THE LAW, I'm pretty sure they weren't telling anyone...

So basically you're going on an assumption? Just as you're going on an assumption that they hid the biblical references inside long serial codes? Or do you have the pictures?

The article states it wrote things such as "JN8:12" on the parts. NOT DC2364535272533:16 like you implied.

I'm not even religious and I can tell what JN8:12 refers to.

And it's not against the law, just so you know.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So basically you're going an assumption? Just as you're going on an assumption that they hid the biblical references inside long serial codes? Or do you have the pictures?

The article states it wrote things such as "JN8:12" on the parts. NOT DC2364535272533:16 like you implied.

I'm not even religious and I can tell what JN8:12 refers to.

Actually, it was on the news yesterday and so I saw what they were talking about. Yes it's hidden.

And pardon me, not a law, although I was going by a quote later on in the article which said "laws that govern our land"

"The move appeared to be a direct violation of a US Central Command general order issued after the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq that strictly prohibits "proselytizing of any religion, faith or practice."

And also:

"Having Biblical references on military equipment violates the basic ideals and values our country was founded upon," MPAC Washington director Haris Tarin said in a statement."

Combined with:

"Trijicon knew that the scopes they were producing were for the use of the US military and their decision to keep these engravings shows a flagrant disregard by a private contractor of the laws that govern our land," said the group's director Sean Faircloth.

My bad.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So basically you're going on an assumption? Just as you're going on an assumption that they hid the biblical references inside long serial codes? Or do you have the pictures?

The article states it wrote things such as "JN8:12" on the parts. NOT DC2364535272533:16 like you implied.

I'm not even religious and I can tell what JN8:12 refers to.

And it's not against the law, just so you know.

Huh. I wonder how the third world peace loving muslim...

a. know's anything is there in the first place
b. knows what it refers to
c. is impacted in any way whatsoever by it

Do you have answers to those questions?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Actually, it was on the news yesterday and so I saw what they were talking about. Yes it's hidden.

Really? What network was it on because they must have an online clip of it.

Did they say it was against the law on your television, too?

[Hack&Lube]

For that ridiculous CODMW2 thread we have where they are debating the use of sights in a game, those are ACOGs.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So basically you're going on an assumption? Just as you're going on an assumption that they hid the biblical references inside long serial codes? Or do you have the pictures?

The article states it wrote things such as "JN8:12" on the parts. NOT DC2364535272533:16 like you implied.

I'm not even religious and I can tell what JN8:12 refers to.

And it's not against the law, just so you know.

I'm a catholic.... a fallen one albeit....

I don't know what JH8:12 is and I bet 99% of most people don't either. Also, I've seen John 3:16 before (football games and the like) but I don't have any idea what its about.... and again I bet most people don't either. In fact, I bet if you asked 1000 people you probably would be hard pressed to find more than 10 who have ever read a bible.