Republican Convention

[troutman]

And the gloves are off . . .

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/p.../press.pundits/

They're trying to put a moderate face on an ultra-right-wing party. If the Republicans were honest, they'd have Jerry Falwell and Ken Lay speak, because their party is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the kook right and corporate crooks. Instead we're getting McCain and Giuliani and Schwarzenegger -- all of whom are more liberal than Bush. It's the greatest example of right-wing cross-dressing since J. Edgar Hoover hung up his brassiere.

[Crazy Flamer]

The gloves have been of for a while now. This is one of the dirteist US Campaigns I can remember and I don't think we're done yet.

[Displaced Flames fan]

LMAO....Bush is far more liberal than most republicans would prefer. Who wrote that drivel?

BTW>...Ken Lay is a HUGE (or was a huge) donor to the DNC.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I beleive John McCain is speaking at the RNC tonight, correct?

I will probably tune in to watch him speak. I probably don't agree with most things he stands for, but I have a tonne of respect for the guy. He is never afraid to call a spade a spade, no matter if that person is a Republican or a Democrat.

[Lurch]

BTW>...Ken Lay is a HUGE (or was a huge) donor to the DNC.

Never heard this before, though I do know he was an advisor for the Bush energy policy and I have heard that he is a personal acquaintance of W's. I would love to see a source for this one as it flies in the face of everything I've ever read about Ken Lay.

Also, did anybody catch the "Free the Enron 7" pickets at the convention today. Talk about hilarious!!

[calf]

Originally posted by Lurch@Aug 30 2004, 02:54 PM
Also, did anybody catch the "Free the Enron 7" pickets at the convention today.# Talk about hilarious!!

Are you serious? People actually support the Enron 7? Unreal - and as you said, hilarious. I wonder what these people's motivations are.

[Cube Inmate]

Can anybody tell me the last time a sitting US president was the target of this much protest and outright hatred during a campaign?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Lurch@Aug 30 2004, 08:54 PM

Never heard this before, though I do know he was an advisor for the Bush energy policy and I have heard that he is a personal acquaintance of W's. I would love to see a source for this one as it flies in the face of everything I've ever read about Ken Lay.

Also, did anybody catch the "Free the Enron 7" pickets at the convention today. Talk about hilarious!!

Enron was one of the largest contributors to the Clinton/Gore campaign in 1996.

Free the Enron 7 picketers? Has to be liberals trying to make conservatives look really bad! :P That just seems more plausible than actual human beings thinking the leadership of Enron deservres any semblance of freedom.

I find it insulting to my intelligence that someone would try to pass George Bush off as a Falwell conservative. It's like trying to say Bill Clinton was a Kennedy democrat.

Neither one is even close to the truth.

[sbailey924]

When it comes to the social issues like gay marriage, stem-cell research, and abortion, Bush is quite the Falwell conservative. That's where that comparison is usually derived from, since that's what Falwell is most adamant about.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Aug 30 2004, 06:56 PM
I beleive John McCain is speaking at the RNC tonight, correct?

I will probably tune in to watch him speak. I probably don't agree with most things he stands for, but I have a tonne of respect for the guy. He is never afraid to call a spade a spade, no matter if that person is a Republican or a Democrat.

I was a John McCain supporter in 2000.

I wonder if he'll run in 2008. Not sure how old he is. They were talking about George Pataki running (current NY governor).....I think the GOP would be wise to nominate one of McCain or Rudy Giuliani, especially if Bush wins this time....because you know who will be running for the Dems in 2008.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by sbailey924@Aug 31 2004, 12:51 AM
When it comes to the social issues like gay marriage, stem-cell research, and abortion, Bush is quite the Falwell conservative. That's where that comparison is usually derived from, since that's what Falwell is most adamant about.

But the quote was painting the Bush/Cheney ticket as an ultra-conservative ticket, which it is absolutely not. That is a farce. I guess it's not his fault though, because many liberals believe that the social issues are all that matter.

BTW...George W. Bush is the only President in US history to fund stem-cell research. Also, I'd hardly call a ban on partial birth abortion ultra conservative. Many people who support the abortion law, like I do, do not support partial birth abortion.

[troutman]

I would say Bush/ Cheney is ultra-conservative. They are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy (or at least they are saying the things that the religious right wants to hear):


http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by troutman@Aug 31 2004, 01:03 AM
I would say Bush/ Cheney is ultra-conservative. They are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy (or at least they are saying the things that the religious right wants to hear):


http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

Oh good Lord.

I'm sorry, but that's simply ridiculous.

They aren't trying to turn MY government into a theocracy and even if they were, they couldn't accomplish it.

On the spectrum of the GOP Bush/Cheney is very much toward the left. That's just a fact.

Left of Reagan, left of Nixon, left of Bush 41, Right of Carter and just about dead even with Clinton.

[EddyBeers]

How are they left? Is because of their ultra left leaning tax cuts? Or their ultra left leaning deficits? Or their ultra left leaning social conservative values? Their ultra left unilateralist approach to foreign affairs? Please define for me.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by EddyBeers@Aug 31 2004, 02:23 AM
How are they left? Is because of their ultra left leaning tax cuts? Or their ultra left leaning deficits? Or their ultra left leaning social conservative values? Their ultra left unilateralist approach to foreign affairs? Please define for me.

The are on the left side of the spectrum in the GOP.

Pretty simple really.

On the far right you have guys like Sam Brownback, a Senator from my state who are an embarassment to the party.

[Weiser Wonder]

I have tons of respect for John McCain as well. He is what politicians should be. The way Bush campaigned against him in 2000 was outright dirty and shameless.

[gdoll]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Aug 30 2004, 06:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Aug 30 2004, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-troutman@Aug 31 2004, 01:03 AM
I would say Bush/ Cheney is ultra-conservative. They are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy (or at least they are saying the things that the religious right wants to hear):


http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

Oh good Lord.

I'm sorry, but that's simply ridiculous.

They aren't trying to turn MY government into a theocracy and even if they were, they couldn't accomplish it.

On the spectrum of the GOP Bush/Cheney is very much toward the left. That's just a fact.

Left of Reagan, left of Nixon, left of Bush 41, Right of Carter and just about dead even with Clinton. [/b][/quote]
You're kidding, right? Cheney's voting history in Congress was more conservative the even the king of C himself - Newt Gingrich, in the late 80's. I firmly believe Cheney has a vast amount of influence on Bush's agenda, and Bush himself is the most religous right-wing Republican the US has seen in decades.

Examples:
- opposed federal funding for abortions, even in the cases of incest or rape
- voted against Equal Rights Amendments for women
- opposed Head Start and the creation of the Dept of Education
- multiple votes against banning certain types of weapons and ammunition private citizens could obtain, mirroring the positions of the NRA
- opposed the Clean Water Act
- opposed tighter controls and reporting levels for oil and chem companies on emissions
- disapproved of Mandela's release from prison in 1986

This is harly the voting record of a fiscal or social liberal.

[gdoll]

Originally posted by fotze@Aug 31 2004, 06:43 AM
I say a Giuliani/Schwartzeneggar (sp?) ticket would be quite the political dream team, how could that duo not get elected.

Arine can't get elected as VP or Pres. He is not a US born candidate, and unless there is an amendment to the COnstitution, he is not eligible

[RougeUnderoos]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08...arts/index.html

Nothing like starting a war and making fun of the casualties. Support our troops! Laugh when they get hurt!

My favorite:

"It is not in any way defaming of them, because I know people who have received Purple Hearts and I know that they're not boasting about their war record. They're proud of their serving their country. And, I mean, I just met a woman who lost her husband yesterday in Iraq. And there's a whole entirely different mood."

Yeah? And what mood is that?

[troutman]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Aug 31 2004, 01:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Aug 31 2004, 01:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-troutman@Aug 31 2004, 01:03 AM
I would say Bush/ Cheney is ultra-conservative. They are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy (or at least they are saying the things that the religious right wants to hear):


http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

Oh good Lord.

I'm sorry, but that's simply ridiculous.

They aren't trying to turn MY government into a theocracy and even if they were, they couldn't accomplish it.

On the spectrum of the GOP Bush/Cheney is very much toward the left. That's just a fact.

Left of Reagan, left of Nixon, left of Bush 41, Right of Carter and just about dead even with Clinton. [/b][/quote]
I thought it was funny that you responded to my "Bush/Cheney are theocrats rant " with an "Oh Good Lord".

If you bothered to read the link you would see that I'm not exaggerating. This is scary stuff.

The plain message conveyed by the new administration is that George W. Bush's America is a Christian nation and that non-Christians are welcome into the tent so long as they agree to accept their status as a tolerated minority rather than as fully equal citizens. In effect, Bush is saying: 'This is our home, and in our home we pray to Jesus as our savior. If you want to be a guest in our home, you must accept the way we pray.'"
-- Alan M. Dershowitz, in "Bush Starts Off by Defying the the Constitution," Los Angeles Times, January 24, 2001