2010 NFL Off Season Thread

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why would anyone without an elite QB NOT be interested in McNabb? He'd be a nice bridge while you develop a young blue chipper.

I'd love it if he came to Denver.

I agree. I think the issue will come down to the cost of acquiring him. I don't think a rebuilding team like the Bills or Browns are going to want to part with a bunch of nice draft picks to get him. Reid's isn't going to part with his franchise quarterback for cheap.

Denver probably makes the most sense. They have everything else to be a Super Bowl contender, but need an elite QB to get them over the hump. The Broncos also seem to love ex-Eagles. I'm just curious what they would be willing to give up to get McNabb.

[burn_baby_burn]

According to Schefter, USC and Steve Mariucci have had conversations.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by InstantDeath

Good point, especially if the 2011 season ends up with a rookie payscale (as it should). That said - a team like the niners needs young, top-tier talent more than anything else. The key, obviously, is avoiding busts, and drafting players who will become starters on your team.

Also, Id like Jay Cutler as far away form my football team as possible, thank you.

This draft is very, very deep - and there are several guys who are going to be pro-bowlers for a long time. Eric Berry, Suh, Joe Haden, just to name a few - are all basically as much of a 'lock' as you can get.

CJ Spiller is also going to be a force to be reckoned with for the next decade or so. Mark my words.

1. Jay Cutler was the most recent example that came to my head. The Bears traded a 1st (plus more) to get an established player that they felt could come in and compete better than a rookie. And you can make the argument both ways, but I'm pretty sure the Bears would have been worse off if they drafted a QB rather than traded for Cutler.

2. You say alot of these guys are going to be Pro Bowlers, but you can't say that with any certainty. Every draft has those "can't miss prospects" whose game does not translate to the NFL level. In 2005, Carlos Rogers was supposed to be the next shut down corner and Adam Jones was supposed to be the next Prime Time. In 2006, Michael Huff was the next Ed Reed, in 2007, JaMarcus Russell and/or Gaines Adams. In 2008, Vernon Gholston is arguably the biggest bust of anyone on this list.

And yes, I realize it goes both ways, you could find a diamond in the rough who turns out to be a perennial Pro Bowler. But some teams put more stock on established players than risking drafting a bust and paying them 20+ million dollars in guaranteed money.

Which is why the NFL needs a rookie salary scale.

So, I think the 49ers shopping one or both of the picks is a smart idea.

[Bobblehead]

I think they will have a couple guys targeted and may move down, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them stay with what they got. Looking at last year's signings, the 49ers slots together should be cheaper than anything in the top 7. 2 middle of the first round picks aren't too bad. You need to drop to around 22 before they start getting really cheap.

But as was mentioned, trying to parlay those picks into a year when there may be a salary cap isn't a bad idea financially, but how long do you differ those picks while guys like Gore get older? The Niners have a few good young pieces, they shouldn't wait forever.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree. I think the issue will come down to the cost of acquiring him. I don't think a rebuilding team like the Bills or Browns are going to want to part with a bunch of nice draft picks to get him. Reid's isn't going to part with his franchise quarterback for cheap.

Denver probably makes the most sense. They have everything else to be a Super Bowl contender, but need an elite QB to get them over the hump. The Broncos also seem to love ex-Eagles. I'm just curious what they would be willing to give up to get McNabb.

Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler would be at the top of that list. Depending on if they can get anything good for Marshall elsewhere of coures. I would think there would be better targets for Scheffler as well. Celek is a stud.

With Orton there I don't see the Broncos breaking the bank to get a deal done.

[Displaced Flames fan]

As I predicted earlier, Dennison to Houston is done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4821077

[burn_baby_burn]

Crennel to Chiefs is finally official.

Edit: The Chiefs have fired DC Clancy Pendercast. Might be tough for him to land another DC gig in the NFL, being fired two years in a row.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

As I predicted earlier, Dennison to Houston is done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4821077

Not exactly the worlds best kept secret but a good move as Dennison can replace Alex Gibbs. The move from Kyle Shanahan to Mr. Dennison is no real drop off IMO, this offence is the brainchild of Gary Kubiak and will continue to be going forward. Shanahan didn't even call the plays until after Houston beat Cinci this year. Hopefully Dennison can fix the run game because they're going to desperately need it next year with the Texans difficult schedule.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

Not exactly the worlds best kept secret but a good move as Dennison can replace Alex Gibbs. The move from Kyle Shanahan to Mr. Dennison is no real drop off IMO, this offence is the brainchild of Gary Kubiak and will continue to be going forward. Shanahan didn't even call the plays until after Houston beat Cinci this year. Hopefully Dennison can fix the run game because they're going to desperately need it next year with the Texans difficult schedule.

Yeah, the main reason I brought it up is because Dennison and I share a hometown.

Dennison is a well rounded coach. He's held a number of positions with the Broncos including LB coach, Special Teams coach, OL coach. I'd be surprised if he wasn't the longest tenured person in the Broncos organization.

As for the run game, Dennison is a fan of the Gibbs/Shanahan zone blocking scheme and I believe the run game will improve because of it.

[Flickered Flame]

Dolphins get permission to talk with Keith Butler of the Steelers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...k-to-dolphins/

[FlamingLonghorn]

Brian Schottenheimer turns down the Bills for an interview. He says he is extremely happy under Ryan and molding Sanchez. I like him a lot and am excited he is sticking around for one more year.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Revis is an excellent tackler he just isn't afforded the opportunity to tackle as ofter. Revis is the reason that the Jets were the #1 defense in the league. He shut down 1/3-1/2 the field on every play which freed up linebackers and safeties to blitz and disrupt plays. The Jets would never give up 51 pts. (2 tds by Fitzgerald). You put Revis on Fitzgerald and the Pack would have won that game. People get too hung up on stats and don't pay attention to the how a player completely changes the game.

I guess all those voters weren't paying attention to the game then...like you were.

[Bobblehead]

I think a case could have been made for either.

It is easier to give it to Woodson since his game-changing efforts showed up as stats.

But both were worthy, and some others had great years as well, but Woodson just got the nod. Revis will have many more chances as long as he keeps it up.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I guess all those voters weren't paying attention to the game then...like you were.

Most likely not. You think the voters watch all the games? They look at the stat lines. Do you think Revis would have given up 2 tds to Fitzgerald? No way in hell. The common opponent they had with an elite wr was Cincy Revis shut him down 2x Woodson didn't shut him down at all.

[transplant99]

You think the voters watch all the games?

yes....especially Ny based teams..

Do you think Revis would have given up 2 tds to Fitzgerald?

Well since the voting was done long before that game...what does it matter.

Your boy lost....its OK. Woodson was the best all-around defensive player in the NFL this year, Revis was ssecond and will likely have a couple of these things in his future.

[Pagal4321]

Holy hell, they both deserved the award. Both played a completely different role on their respective teams.

Revis is a pure shutdown corner, no sexy stats, he just eliminates the opponents #1 WR. Therefore he get's no sexy stats.

Woodson is a playmaker for the Packers. Comes on blitzes, tackles the runners, forces fumbles and covers the WRs. Has all the sexy stats to backup his phenominal play.

Had this been a best cornerback award, I'm sure Revis would have won. But I can see why Woodson would win DPOY.

Do I think Revis should have won, sure do. He's unreal at what he does. But they both deserved it and in the end, I don't see why people are FREAKING OUT about this.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yes....especially Ny based teams..



Well since the voting was done long before that game...what does it matter.

Your boy lost....its OK. Woodson was the best all-around defensive player in the NFL this year, Revis was ssecond and will likely have a couple of these things in his future.

I don't really have much invested in who won the award. I just think Revis is the better player. Best at the position since Deion. And I know the votes were before the playoffs but thats just an example of Revis coverage skills vs. Woodson's. Like Rex said 8 td's that's how many the Pack gave up in the air on Sunday and that's also how many the Jets gave up all season.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Crennel to Chiefs is finally official.

Edit: The Chiefs have fired DC Clancy Pendercast. Might be tough for him to land another DC gig in the NFL, being fired two years in a row.

During todays conference call to officially announce Crennel as the new DC of the Chiefs, it was revealed that Pendercast had not been fired. He has been moved from DC to another defensive coaching position. Todd Haley indicated that he would like Pendercast to coach the DBs.

Sorry for the previous confusion, I know how much of an impact this is on all your lives.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

But they both deserved it and in the end, I don't see why people are FREAKING OUT about this.

As you probably know, following Peter King, Schefter, and others on Twitter, that a lot of people are freaking out about this.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree. I think the issue will come down to the cost of acquiring him. I don't think a rebuilding team like the Bills or Browns are going to want to part with a bunch of nice draft picks to get him. Reid's isn't going to part with his franchise quarterback for cheap.

Denver probably makes the most sense. They have everything else to be a Super Bowl contender, but need an elite QB to get them over the hump. The Broncos also seem to love ex-Eagles. I'm just curious what they would be willing to give up to get McNabb.

Hey Rube

I am a big Eagles fan but I have never been a big McNabb guy. Just seems to be missing something plus I am tired of all the short throws hitting guys in the feet.

I really like the upside of Kolb and would love to see him have some time with Maclin and Jackson. The receiving core and new running back are all very young and I think letting Kolb get as much time with them is only a plus.

The Eagles do have some holes to fill but not major ones. If Bradley comes back strong and they find a safety they are pretty much set on Defence.

The O line is a bit of a question mark but I think they have the bodies to make it work and that is not including Shawn Andrews.

I am in the move McNabb now column and let Kolb grew with this offence. I think there is real promise there and McNabb could fetch something good.