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burn_baby_burn · 01-11-2010, 05:05 PM

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Romeo Crennel to become Chiefs defensive co-ordinator in a move that shocks everyone in the football world.

With the firing of the Dolphins DC there is some speculation that Parcells will try to get Crennel as well. They worked togther for 17 years in the past. Will Parcells try to get in a bidding war with his Son in Law Pioli? Or is Crennel only interested in KC?

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 07:02 AM

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ESPN Insider. It was clearly stated as a rumour. Or did you miss that?

I dont pay ESPN for their content. Link/Quote it for me? I thought I was up on all things niners...

burn_baby_burn · 01-12-2010, 08:14 AM

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I dont pay ESPN for their content. Link/Quote it for me? I thought I was up on all things niners...

I don't pay for it either, got the headline off of Twitter.

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It's a long shot, but a rumor making the rounds says the #49ers are looking to trade both first round picks http://bit.ly/8D0456 #nfl #draft 2:50 PM Jan 4th from bit.ly

Clever_Iggy · 01-12-2010, 08:51 AM

Packers Charles Woodson wins NFL Defensive Player of the Year:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

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The versatile Woodson tied for the league lead with nine interceptions, returning three for touchdowns, and was a key to the Packers' turnaround on defense. His role in Green Bay's ranking second in overall defense, first in interceptions (30), takeaways (40) and turnover margin (plus-24) earned Woodson 28 votes from a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the NFL.

Loved Woodson when he was at Michigan. Was thrilled when he was drafted to the Raiders (same draft as Manning) and became one of the best corners in just a couple seasons (won NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year). I'm glad he's finding even more success in Green Bay.

Pagal4321 · 01-12-2010, 09:09 AM

You could make stellar arguments for Woodson or Revis. Woodson had the stats on his side, Revis just shuts people down.

Can't complain with Woodson winning the award.

FlamingLonghorn · 01-12-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Packers Charles Woodson wins NFL Defensive Player of the Year:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

Loved Woodson when he was at Michigan. Was thrilled when he was drafted to the Raiders (same draft as Manning) and became one of the best corners in just a couple seasons (won NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year). I'm glad he's finding even more success in Green Bay.

I think Revis should have won it, but certainly not a snub as Woodson was very solid as well. I don't watch the Packers enough to know how Woodson plays as far as is he on the #1 most of the time like Revis? I know he blitzes which Revis never does. If he is on the #1 all the time he doesn't seem to be quite as good as shutting them down. Ochocinco and Fitzgerald both had good games against the Pack. No #1 had a good game against Revis.

Pagal4321 · 01-12-2010, 09:32 AM

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I think Revis should have won it, but certainly not a snub as Woodson was very solid as well. I don't watch the Packers enough to know how Woodson plays as far as is he on the #1 most of the time like Revis? I know he blitzes which Revis never does. If he is on the #1 all the time he doesn't seem to be quite as good as shutting them down. Ochocinco and Fitzgerald both had good games against the Pack. No #1 had a good game against Revis.

"The debate between Woodson and Revis is one of what you value. Revis put together one of the most dominant "shutdown" cornerback seasons in memory. He routinely erased top wideouts like Deion Sanders in his prime.

Woodson's value came from his cover skills and his versatility. His big play numbers -- nine interceptions, four forced fumbles, three touchdowns, and two sacks -- likely earned him the edge."

PFT put it oh so eloquently. I'm just surprised the voting wasn't closer.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ry/rumor-mill/

Displaced Flames fan · 01-12-2010, 10:14 AM

If Sharper had played the entire season he may have made it an even closer 3 way race. He had in incredible year.

Nice to see Doom get a few votes. 17 sacks is not too shabby for someone who is too short to play in the NFL.

transplant99 · 01-12-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sowa

I think Revis should have won it, but certainly not a snub as Woodson was very solid as well. I don't watch the Packers enough to know how Woodson plays as far as is he on the #1 most of the time like Revis? I know he blitzes which Revis never does. If he is on the #1 all the time he doesn't seem to be quite as good as shutting them down. Ochocinco and Fitzgerald both had good games against the Pack. No #1 had a good game against Revis.

I think it came down to versatility.

revis was, without question, the single most dominant shutdown guy in the league..period. He did one thing way better than everyone else.

Woodson did everything however, and did it all at a very high level. Int's, fumbles forced, TACKLING, blitzing, and of course very good cover guy.

IMO...this was a no-brainer although all the other candidates had a terrific year as well.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-12-2010, 12:08 PM

Seattle hires Alex Gibbs. Huge coups, IMO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4819300

That means Rick Dennison (Kalispell native BTW) and his 30+ year run in the Broncos organization is all but over. He will be the new offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans in a matter of days.

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 12:25 PM

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I don't pay for it either, got the headline off of Twitter.

That just doesn’t make any sense. Unless they are trading them for Drew Brees or something.

rubecube · 01-12-2010, 12:29 PM

Following teams reportedly interested in McNabb:

Buffalo
San Francisco
Denver
Cleveland

Montana Moe · 01-12-2010, 12:30 PM

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That just doesn’t make any sense. Unless they are trading them for Drew Brees or something.

Not funny...

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 12:30 PM

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Seattle hires Alex Gibbs. Huge coups, IMO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4819300

That means Rick Dennison (Kalispell native BTW) and his 30+ year run in the Broncos organization is all but over. He will be the new offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans in a matter of days.

I cant believe Gary Kubiak still has the HC position on that team. He is just not a very good coach – his game management skills are awful, and that team underachieved pitifully, IMO. If (when) they draft a legitimate, big time RB, they are going to have the most dangerous offense in the league. Schaub is the real deal Holyfield, Johnson is obviously a beast…then you throw in Daniels, Walter, a healthy Slaton as the change of pace back (hes no workhorse, but would be perfect in a Leon Washington/Darren Sproles/Felix Jones type role)…you have probably the most talented unit in the league. And that defense is actually a lot more talented than they showed everyone this year. (Praying the 49ers snag Dunta Robinson in FA).

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 12:32 PM

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Following teams reportedly interested in McNabb:

Buffalo
San Francisco
Denver
Cleveland

Please come to SF, Donovan. (just for one year please)

Displaced Flames fan · 01-12-2010, 12:33 PM

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Following teams reportedly interested in McNabb:

Buffalo
San Francisco
Denver
Cleveland

Why would anyone without an elite QB NOT be interested in McNabb? He'd be a nice bridge while you develop a young blue chipper.

I'd love it if he came to Denver.

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 12:35 PM

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Not funny...

Well….that would be a Madden trade if Ive ever seen one. Hahaha. Really its foolish, at any point in time, to give up two first rounders though. Unless you are getting something obscene in return. A franchise type player and a couple lower round picks would have to be involved…and the way San Frans current personnel staff operates, that’s not happening – they are generally pretty conservative, and want to build from the ground up, not go for the proverbial hail mary.

FlamingLonghorn · 01-12-2010, 12:43 PM

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I think it came down to versatility.

revis was, without question, the single most dominant shutdown guy in the league..period. He did one thing way better than everyone else.

Woodson did everything however, and did it all at a very high level. Int's, fumbles forced, TACKLING, blitzing, and of course very good cover guy.

IMO...this was a no-brainer although all the other candidates had a terrific year as well.

Revis is an excellent tackler he just isn't afforded the opportunity to tackle as ofter. Revis is the reason that the Jets were the #1 defense in the league. He shut down 1/3-1/2 the field on every play which freed up linebackers and safeties to blitz and disrupt plays. The Jets would never give up 51 pts. (2 tds by Fitzgerald). You put Revis on Fitzgerald and the Pack would have won that game. People get too hung up on stats and don't pay attention to the how a player completely changes the game.

Pagal4321 · 01-12-2010, 01:02 PM

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Well….that would be a Madden trade if Ive ever seen one. Hahaha. Really its foolish, at any point in time, to give up two first rounders though. Unless you are getting something obscene in return. A franchise type player and a couple lower round picks would have to be involved…and the way San Frans current personnel staff operates, that’s not happening – they are generally pretty conservative, and want to build from the ground up, not go for the proverbial hail mary.

I can see why SF would look at shipping away one ot both first rounders.

The financial investment required to sign TWO first rounders is enormous, and then you are stuck to that player regardless if they blossom in the NFL (Mario Williams) or if they are busts (JaMarcus Russell).

So why not trade one first rounder for an established player, that you could sign to a comprable contract, but know you are getting a polished product (Jared Allen, Jay Cutler, Richard Seymour, etc)

InstantDeath · 01-12-2010, 02:01 PM

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I can see why SF would look at shipping away one ot both first rounders.

The financial investment required to sign TWO first rounders is enormous, and then you are stuck to that player regardless if they blossom in the NFL (Mario Williams) or if they are busts (JaMarcus Russell).

So why not trade one first rounder for an established player, that you could sign to a comprable contract, but know you are getting a polished product (Jared Allen, Jay Cutler, Richard Seymour, etc)

Good point, especially if the 2011 season ends up with a rookie payscale (as it should). That said - a team like the niners needs young, top-tier talent more than anything else. The key, obviously, is avoiding busts, and drafting players who will become starters on your team.

Also, Id like Jay Cutler as far away form my football team as possible, thank you.

This draft is very, very deep - and there are several guys who are going to be pro-bowlers for a long time. Eric Berry, Suh, Joe Haden, just to name a few - are all basically as much of a 'lock' as you can get.

CJ Spiller is also going to be a force to be reckoned with for the next decade or so. Mark my words.