01-04-2010, 01:09 PM
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#41
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Originally Posted by KTrain
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Ooh, I like Rob's website address. It really rolls off the tongue.
I hope he has a Hotmail account to top it all off.
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01-04-2010, 01:17 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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I'd like to care more, there are important political decisions being made. But when the discussion turns into partisanship I now tend to get angry then decide it isn't worth it and tune out. For every Belinda Stronach there is a David Emmerson and you can argue until you are blue about one or the other and in the end it doesn't matter.
Debate the issues, identify the "why" something should or shouldn't be done regardless of who is doing it. And if someone raises a good point, concede that point and re-evaluate your position. The issues are (generally) too important to let pride become a stumbling block.
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01-04-2010, 01:34 PM
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#43
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Originally Posted by troutman
fotze, I have an Honors Degree in Political Science, and I think politics is silly.
IMO, you have to have a personality defect to think you have all the answers and that you know how to fix everything.
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A lot of politicians, probably for the sake of partisanship, seem to suffer from this defect. I never could understand how one could simply toe the party line just for the sake of re-election.
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01-04-2010, 01:38 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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I'd care less if they took less taxes.
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01-04-2010, 01:53 PM
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ALL ABOARD!
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Originally Posted by peter12
A lot of politicians, probably for the sake of partisanship, seem to suffer from this defect. I never could understand how one could simply toe the party line just for the sake of re-election.
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Most people won't challenge their bosses in their non-political jobs for fear that they will lose those jobs. It's not really that different in politics. If anything it is worse because there are few political jobs out there once you've been punted from your party.
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01-04-2010, 01:55 PM
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#46
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Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn
PC's are leaning to far left. Wild Rose is more to the right which is what most PC supporters want.
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lol. left? No, the PCs are what they have always been - a pragmatic governing party (albiet, not an effective one currently). If WRA is voted in as government, those ideological lenses will soon come off in favour of pragmatically juggling real problems, issues and interests, which are most often require non-ideological solutions. Exhibit A - Stephen Harper's 'conservative' government, which is for all intents and purposes is indistinguishable in policy from the governing liberals of the late 1990s - minus some of the lethargy and political scandal). I think this recognition is why the most centrist leadership candidate, Danielle Smith was voted in for the WRA.
Last edited by Bunk; 01-04-2010 at 01:58 PM.
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01-04-2010, 02:45 PM
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#47
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by peter12
A lot of politicians, probably for the sake of partisanship, seem to suffer from this defect. I never could understand how one could simply toe the party line just for the sake of re-election.
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Ask Guy Boutiller. Without the party affiliation, he wont have the giant Tory war chest to spend on his re-election campaign. Partisanship is practically a matter of self-preservation.
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01-04-2010, 03:23 PM
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#48
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Also, don't kid yourselves. As sure as the sky is blue, I am sure each of these politicians were offered incentives for switching...
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What exactly can we offer them? 
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
If edmonton wins the cup in the next decade I will buy everyone on CP a bottle of vodka.
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01-04-2010, 03:32 PM
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#49
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Ask Guy Boutiller. Without the party affiliation, he wont have the giant Tory war chest to spend on his re-election campaign. Partisanship is practically a matter of self-preservation.
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Do you think that Guy won't easily win that riding again though?
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01-04-2010, 03:45 PM
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#50
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#1 Goaltender
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It's sad to read about all the people who just don't care and who think they cannot change anything.
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01-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Azure
Love or hate the WRA
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How can anyone love or hate a party that has no policies or candidates yet?
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01-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
It's sad to read about all the people who just don't care and who think they cannot change anything.
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Just takes one extension cords to start electrifying the wires of change.
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01-04-2010, 03:48 PM
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#53
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by troutman
How can anyone love or hate a party that has no policies or candidates yet?
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Based on their political leanings.
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01-04-2010, 03:53 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by FireFly
What exactly can we offer them? |
Money, power, clout, favouritism...
Although with the WRA, it would be a "future consideration". I am sure there are a few people who support the party with deep pockets who wouldn't mind buying a few high profile candidates.
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01-04-2010, 03:55 PM
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a land without pants, or war, or want. But mostly we care about the pants.
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Originally Posted by FireFly
What exactly can we offer them? |
Permanent re-election?
Judging from past Alberta governments, if the WRA does get in, they'll run things until 2040-2050, so if you get in while the getting's good, you're golden till you CHOOSE to retire, not to mention you will gain quite a bit of influence by being one of the original MPs for the party, be it from switching or not.
If you're an lower or middle level MP with few prospects in the PCs, why wouldn't you switch? Being Tory is no longer a guaranteed seat, so gambling on WRA has a big payoff with little more risk.
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01-04-2010, 03:55 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Azure
Based on their political leanings.
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What are they? It's all very vague.
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01-04-2010, 03:55 PM
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#57
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Calgary AB
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Originally Posted by troutman
fotze, I have an Honors Degree in Political Science, and I think politics is silly.
IMO, you have to have a personality defect to think you have all the answers and that you know how to fix everything.
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Don't mean to poke but why did you bother spending your limited time on an honors degree in Political Sciences if it was all for waste? 
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01-04-2010, 03:56 PM
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#58
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Finny61
Don't mean to poke but why did you bother spending your limited time on an honors degree in Political Sciences if it was all for waste? |
Pre-law!
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01-04-2010, 04:05 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Originally Posted by Finny61
Don't mean to poke but why did you bother spending your limited time on an honors degree in Political Sciences if it was all for waste? |
Because in cases like this he whip out the fact that he graduated with Honors because some us were having too much fun in first year and didn't get honors because of it. 
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01-04-2010, 04:38 PM
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#60
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Bentley, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peter12
Politics as we know it is a huge waste of time. Politics as it was known classically encompassed the public sphere of life, unfortunately something that no longer exists because most people are not interested in acting in the civic's interest, only their own (see job, financial security, personal success etc...).
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I believe it is disingenuous to believe that the majority of politicians in history have been anything different then what I have bolded in your quote.
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