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				Originally posted by kipperfan@Aug 22 2005, 09:54 AM 
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				@Aug 22 2005, 04:44 AM 
 For those hip hoppers and rap fans, here's some good ones 
 
 
Kanye West- Late Registration 
A Tribe Called Quest - Beats, Rhymes And Life 
2Pac - Loyal To The Game 
Ice Cube - Ice Cube's Greatest Hits 
Nas - God's Son 
Heavy D & The Boyz - Heavy Hitz 
Naughty By Nature - Greatest Hits: Naughty's Nicest 
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die 
Goodie Mob - Soul Food 
Big Daddy Kane - The Very Best Of Big Daddy Kane 
Big L - The Big Picture 
 
 
All of these are great albums, right now the song I listen the most to is Tupac-I'm Losin' It, great song. 
			
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thats all garbage...............if you want real and MEANINGFUL hip hop, not lame fake gangster shinguard....check out some of my pics...ie common, little brother, pigeon john.....etc 
			
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Garbage? 
Homers list is great.
 
What is fake about any of those artists? 
They might not rap about what you want to hear, but that doesn't make it fake. 
I would take good rap about the streets and gangs over your supposed MEANINGFUL yet talentless boring garbage anyday. [/b][/quote]
               
Thats a good one       You have proven your oppinion is meaningless, and you know absolultley nothing about music in any way shape or form.
 
Good rap about the streets...............give your head a shake bud......talking about fataing ho*s, smoking blunts, and making alot of money is not good ANYTHING.......  Whats Fake        You think NAS is roling around selling drugs and killing people aside from maybe a few rappers(ice cube, Eazy E, DJ Quik) none of them are gangsters....
 
Talentless           my god bud you have a lot to learn.  I guarntee you have never even heard the NAME pigeon john let alone have heard his music, same goes with little brother and about 200 other artists and groups that make up REAL hiphop.  I would say very confindently that the lyrics, rhymes, beats in almost every cd I own(about 250)(all underground and independent hiphop) are better than the best song, of any of the cds listed on homers list........dont know whta you consider talent, yelling about fataing ladies and drinkin 40's is not talent.
 
Maybe in a few years when you get out of the "gangsta" phase of your life you'll understand..i dont expect you to now "G"
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			08-22-2005, 10:39 PM
			
			
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				Originally posted by kipperfan@Aug 22 2005, 05:52 PM 
Thats a good one    You have proven your oppinion is meaningless, and you know absolultley nothing about music in any way shape or form.
			
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I know nothing because I disagree with you?  I actually have a collection of over 700 CDs, Worked in a record store for over 4 years (where I ran the HipHop section), play the drums and have a ton of friends in music.   
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				Good rap about the streets...............give your head a shake bud......talking about fataing ho*s, smoking blunts, and making alot of money is not good ANYTHING....... Whats Fake     You think NAS is roling around selling drugs and killing people aside from maybe a few rappers(ice cube, Eazy E, DJ Quik) none of them are gangsters....
			
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Have you even listened to any of these people?  I don't want to have to quote them all but they all have written about much more then blunts, hoes and money. 
These people write about the situations they have come from, and I don't have to live it or glorify it to empathise with it.  
 
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				Talentless       my god bud you have a lot to learn. I guarntee you have never even heard the NAME pigeon john let alone have heard his music, same goes with little brother and about 200 other artists and groups that make up REAL hiphop.
			
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As I already stated, I only ran a hip hop section for over 4 years.  I've seen and heard more hiphip CDs ( or any type of CDs) then you will in your entire life.  You don't get put in charge of maintaining and ordering for the hiphop section in a major music retailor without knowing anything.
 
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				dont know whta you consider talent, yelling about fataing ladies and drinkin 40's is not talent.
			
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So I guess Common just lost his talent...
 Common-Full Moon
Baby put that ass in the air where I can see 
Feel free feel good 
You ain't in the club trying to find a real love... 
I'ma give that ass room 
Better yet, let's fata in the bathroom 
If we have room it's a full moon... 
There's some hoes in this house 
It's thick like them hoes from the south... 
Already boned 3 out the group with my crew I rock steady like the park
OMG, he said hoes too!!!       
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Biggest laugh of all    
Thanks for the generalization.  If you only knew how far I am from being in any sort of gangsta phase.  You make this assumption because I like 2pac? What a joke.  Some of my favorite artists also include Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Modest Mouse, REM, Bright Eyes, Thursday, Massive Attack etc... 
your right, I must be a gangsta    
I don't have to act like a gangsta, to like gangsta rap.  To like it for what it is which is someone elses story told in a way which I can empathise.  I don't support the idea of anyone adapting that lifestyle as their own.   
By your logic, anyone who likes the Godfather is also a wannabe gangsta.  
 
P.S.  I also like that band Tool, AKA---> Kipperfan
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			08-22-2005, 11:23 PM
			
			
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			Personally, I don't think anyone who criticizes another person's tastes in music has a solid grip on reality. 
 
If you like that type of music, good for you, but to call somebody else's personal preferences garbage, is a joke. Grow up.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			08-22-2005, 11:34 PM
			
			
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			I agree. People have different tastes, we don't all have to like the same thing, and no one deserves to have their taste in music, TV shows or anything else bashed just because someone else likes something different.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			08-23-2005, 01:11 AM
			
			
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			Currently in my Cd player 
Staind - Chapter V 
 
also being carried around 
Ill Nino - One Nation Underground 
Seether - Karma and Effect 
 
all very highly recomended for those who don't know who Seether are if you remember Amy Lee from Evanescence doing Broken it was Seether who wrote and then re\recorded it with her doing vocals, very good band from South Africa 
 
Ill Nino - New York heavy metal band mixes in lots of Latin beats very good 
 
Staind - well if you don't know much about Staind just check'em out band was originally signed by Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit his first encounter with them was to try and get them tossed off of an opening spot on his tour because he thought they were devil worshippers lol
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			08-23-2005, 03:47 AM
			
			
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			What I've been listening to lately 
 
Wolf Parade 
New Broken Social Scene Advance 
Devendra Banhart 
Sufjan Stevens 
The Decemberists 
 
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				Originally posted by Tyler@Aug 23 2005, 08:47 AM 
 What I've been listening to lately 
 
Wolf Parade 
New Broken Social Scene Advance 
Devendra Banhart 
Sufjan Stevens 
The Decemberists 
 
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			08-23-2005, 04:41 PM
			
			
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				Originally posted by the_only_turek_fan@Aug 22 2005, 12:37 PM 
 Check out stuff at www.di.fm 
 
I love the techno, trance, eurodance kinda stuff. 
 
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Two thumbs up. I definitely share your taste minus the "eurodance".
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Originally posted by AnthonyCook@Aug 22 2005, 10:23 PM 
 Personally, I don't think anyone who criticizes another person's tastes in music has a solid grip on reality. 
 
If you like that type of music, good for you, but to call somebody else's personal preferences garbage, is a joke. Grow up. 
			
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			08-23-2005, 10:53 PM
			
			
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				Originally posted by AnthonyCook@Aug 23 2005, 01:23 PM 
 Personally, I don't think anyone who criticizes another person's tastes in music has a solid grip on reality. 
 
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 Speaking as a guy who used to be a psuedo rock journo, this is bang on.  People's taste in music is so personal, so unchangeable that it's impossible to criticize an individual's taste without coming off as a complete and utter a-hole.
 
You can, however (and should), take a band to task for producing lame music.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I just went on a mini cd buying spree. 
 
Tragically Hip - Fully Completely 
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde 
Tom Waits - Bone Machine 
PJ Harvey - Rid of me 
Pixies - Doolittle 
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Lacuna Coil - Comalies, Unleashed Memories and In a Reverie. 
Nightwish - Once and Century Child 
Within Temptation - The Silent Force 
			
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Just heard my first Lacuna Coil song.  Reminds me somewhat of Dream Theater, though I like the vocals better.  I may be picking up some of their stuff.  
  
Seriously considering picking up Gorillaz 'Demon Days' as well.  Not my bag genre wise, but this stuff is so unique and it's almost like Radiohead with a beat.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I'll recommend Porcupine Tree since I'm really into them right now. In Absentia's probably my favourite CD as it has some of my favourite songs on it (Blackest Eyes, Sound of Muzak).  
  
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The Weakerthans 
The Arcade Fire 
Stars 
Metric 
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NICE!!!
  
I have.... on my MP3 player...
  
Corb Lund - Hair in my eyes like a highland steer 
Matt Costa 
The Mars Volta - Francis the Mute 
Desmond Dekker - Various hits 
Neil Finn and friends - 7 worlds collide - live concert 
Waylon Jennings - greatest hits (big Waylon fan) 
The Libertines - Up the Bracket 
My Morning Jacket - Z  
Bedouin Soundclash - Sounding a Mosaic
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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Arab Strap - The Last Romance 
Thelonious Monk Quartet - with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall  
Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 
Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit 
Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan - Ballad Of The Broken Seas 
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			Make sure you pick up Ghostface Killah - Fishscale 
And I can't wait until Cuban Linx 2 comes out 
  
Other than that I bought Nashville Skyline by Bob Dylan recently, and that is a damn good album
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I fell for the Arctic Monkeys hype. I love the CD...It's great...oh and I listened to Cypress Hill's Greatest Hits From The Bong on my way to Edmonton on Friday. 
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