If the Nazis had won the Battle of Britain, would it have looked like this?

[HPLovecraft]

Notice the Grenadier Guards and the police, and all the Nazi saluting bystanders...





Creepy! This was all done for the Nazi ambassador who died. Kind of old news (2 months?), but I just came across the photos. It's in London, 1936, when countries were still sucking up to Hitler. If the Nazis had won the BoB and invaded, it might have looked a bit like this! Don't think it's a fata...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...i-funeral.html

[PIMking]

I never understood the whole Heil Hilter junk and the stupid salute. Looks like people are having a seizures.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I never understood the whole Heil Hilter junk and the stupid salute. Looks like people are having a seizures.

I'm sure that before Hitler went all genocidal, the heil didn't look any different than the military salute done in any other place in the world.

[HPLovecraft]

Used to be thought to be how the ancient Romans saluted, so the Fascists adopted it.

It was done by Fascists, and only by Fascists, so it did look quite different from, say, the way the Brits or Americans saluted.

[bcb]

IIRC, it's called the Bellamy Salute.

[dj_patm]

Isn't suppose to mean "from the heart" or something?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by bcb

IIRC, it's called the Bellamy Salute.

The Fascists didn't derive their salute from the Bellamy salute.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

The Fascists didn't derive their salute from the Bellamy salute.

Quite correct. Although they do look remarkably similar.

[bcb]

Well Roosevelt changed the US Pledge salute because it looked too similar.

[GoinAllTheWay]

wow, that's freakin wild. I'm willing to bit many Brits wished these photos never resurfaced. That is really weird to look at.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Used to be thought to be how the ancient Romans saluted, so the Fascists adopted it.

It was done by Fascists, and only by Fascists, so it did look quite different from, say, the way the Brits or Americans saluted.

+1

Just to add a bit. Hitler basically stole it from Mussolini who had adopted the Roman salute.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

+1

Just to add a bit. Hitler basically stole it from Mussolini who had adopted the Roman salute.

There's also no evidence to show that the Roman's ever used this salute.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by blankall

There's also no evidence to show that the Roman's ever used this salute.

Pff these guys did it

[ken0042]

There was a show on the History Channel called "Hitler's Britain." Basically it started out with a 2 minute intro saying how it was a "what if" look- and the rest was done like a documentory.

I tuned into the show 10 minutes after it started, and was shocked as I didn't realize that Germany had successfully invaded London.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its always a interesting question of what would have happened if Germany had successfully invaded Britain and focused on securing the Western front instead of pursuing a foolhardy invasion of the Soviet Union.

What was one of the biggest blunders of the war was the change in focus of the air war from eliminating the British Air Force and destroying England's defenses to terror bombing that only hardened British Resolve.

Conventional wisdom would point out that if Britain would have fallen the German's would have eventually fallen as the American's and Canadians would have focused more Africa and the mass D Day invasion would have taken place from a Southern perspective with Italy still being the weak point.

The American's probably would have been forced to use the Atomic Bomb on Berlin first where they would hope to cut off the head of the German Snake.

If the German's wouldn't have invaded Russian when they did, I have no doubt in my mind that Stalin would have gone after Hitler once the Allies had invaded through Italy.

The American's would have probably focused more strongly on Japan and the Liberation of China. a naval blockade of Japan followed by a land based invasion through Japan would have eventually worn out the Japanese Imperial Military and given America much needed near to Japan Air bases. Japan would have probably been hit with the same type of air power as Germany had. The firebombings in Europe and the whole sale destruction of Germany's industrial base might have taken place in Japan instead.

Stalin might have focused on Japan first and the iron curtain that we saw at the end of the war might have had a more Asiatic look in feel with Germany not being the split point in Europe due to the use of an atomic bomb on Berlin.

The resistance in Britain to German rule would have probably been several times more potent then the vipers nest in France as well, I doubt that the German's would have been able to subdue the population in Britain.


In summary the end of the war would have probably ended in Japan earlier with a blockade, a mass bombing campaign through China, two Island hopping Campaigns with the American's on one side and the Russians on the other with the infamous handshake between American's and Russians in Japan. The American's would also have pushed back the Japanese through China. The Iron Curtain would have taken place in Japan with the revolution in China not taking place until much later because of the American presence there.

The D Day invasion would have gone through Italy with Convoys shifting from Europe to the African Continent. The Americans would have been forced to deploy the Nuclear weapons in Berlin. The German's focusing on the Western Front would have been stabbed in the back by Stalin and the German's would face allied armies through the south and Russian's from the east that would have eventually worn down the German war machine. WWII would have lasted several more years then it did.

Just my theories.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its always a interesting question of what would have happened if Germany had successfully invaded Britain and focused on securing the Western front instead of pursuing a foolhardy invasion of the Soviet Union.

What was one of the biggest blunders of the war was the change in focus of the air war from eliminating the British Air Force and destroying England's defenses to terror bombing that only hardened British Resolve.

Conventional wisdom would point out that if Britain would have fallen the German's would have eventually fallen as the American's and Canadians would have focused more Africa and the mass D Day invasion would have taken place from a Southern perspective with Italy still being the weak point.

The American's probably would have been forced to use the Atomic Bomb on Berlin first where they would hope to cut off the head of the German Snake.

If the German's wouldn't have invaded Russian when they did, I have no doubt in my mind that Stalin would have gone after Hitler once the Allies had invaded through Italy.

The American's would have probably focused more strongly on Japan and the Liberation of China. a naval blockade of Japan followed by a land based invasion through Japan would have eventually worn out the Japanese Imperial Military and given America much needed near to Japan Air bases. Japan would have probably been hit with the same type of air power as Germany had. The firebombings in Europe and the whole sale destruction of Germany's industrial base might have taken place in Japan instead.

Stalin might have focused on Japan first and the iron curtain that we saw at the end of the war might have had a more Asiatic look in feel with Germany not being the split point in Europe due to the use of an atomic bomb on Berlin.

The resistance in Britain to German rule would have probably been several times more potent then the vipers nest in France as well, I doubt that the German's would have been able to subdue the population in Britain.


In summary the end of the war would have probably ended in Japan earlier with a blockade, a mass bombing campaign through China, two Island hopping Campaigns with the American's on one side and the Russians on the other with the infamous handshake between American's and Russians in Japan. The American's would also have pushed back the Japanese through China. The Iron Curtain would have taken place in Japan with the revolution in China not taking place until much later because of the American presence there.

The D Day invasion would have gone through Italy with Convoys shifting from Europe to the African Continent. The Americans would have been forced to deploy the Nuclear weapons in Berlin. The German's focusing on the Western Front would have been stabbed in the back by Stalin and the German's would face allied armies through the south and Russian's from the east that would have eventually worn down the German war machine. WWII would have lasted several more years then it did.

Just my theories.

Disagree with your analysis some.

Had the Germans successfully invaded Britain then it would have prevented any US/Canada invasion of Europe or Africa. As there would have been no base to jump off from, essentially Britain was the jumping off point for both Africa and Europe invasions. The Germans would have sealed the Mediterranean sea. So the only point then would be a an invasion from North America. Impossible.

Take over Britain ends the US involvement in Europe unless they could take Britain back. Build up in Iceland.....Unleash hell through Scotland.

[burn_this_city]

HOZ its likely we would have landed our troops in South Africa and pushed northward. I agree with everything Captain Crunch said although its hard to predict what happens in war.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

HOZ its likely we would have landed our troops in South Africa and pushed northward. I agree with everything Captain Crunch said although its hard to predict what happens in war.

South Africa??????? Why not start from NY? ..... It's CLOSER!

[HPLovecraft]

With Britain gone, there'd be no Western Front, Germany wouldn't need to redirect a large portion of their forces (and an up and coming young general) to N. Africa, at least not for long, and Italy likely would have then finished what they had started there. With Germany being able to direct all their attention at Russia without a second front in the West, the war is as good as over.

Landing troops in South Africa makes no sense. An army nowadays would have next to no chance of pushing overland from there up into Europe across jungle, plains, mountains, and great stretches of desert over hundreds and hundreds of miles, and an army in the 1940s would have absolutely none. What would even be the point?

[dj_patm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5NV...eature=related