Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's depends where you start and how people initially view you.. if that makes sense. If you're seen as a ###### from the start and be a great athlete.. like a Barry Bonds or an A-Rod, then people just see the athletic part.

People hardly remember Tyson's greatness anymore. He's just viewed as a freak. People don't remember Pete Rose's 4000+ hits either.

But people, fairly or unfairly, put Tiger up on such a pedestal where he is arguably the most recognizable athlete in the world. So many people came to golf because of him. They will leave. So many companies and sponsors came to golf because of him. They have left.

You loved golf before Tiger, you're exempt. You're the sports fan, sports fans are the minority.

Here's a simple test for all the guys. If you watch golf, does your wife/gf watch with you? If so, does she only notice if Tiger is playing? Will she now stop to watch Tiger with you anymore or will she just walk away. This is a test for the future when Tiger comes back.

You know as well as anyone that when you play golf, you're naked out there. There are no teammates, no coaches. Everything little thing affects your concentration. He feeds of the huge crowds that follow him. Will crowds still pay big dollars to see him? Fans cheer for heroes.. he no longer is one.

For the rich 50+ year old men that work in my building and the buildings surrounding he may well have become even more of a hero.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Igottago

This is hilarious. What was he supposed to project? "Hi, I'm Tiger Woods, the best golfer and womanizer in the world". Everyone in the public eye projects an image that is partially just marketing. No one gives away the deepest secrets about themselves. No ones going to come out and do an ad that reflects their deepest flaws. If you feel deceived its because you are naive about what rich and powerful men (and women) can do and try to get away with.

If you found out the character flaws of everyone on your list of supposed "clean cut" and "honest" people, you'd probably be horrified.

Well there's "character flaws" and then there's the complete absence of "character". IMHO, Woods is in the latter category.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Well there's "character flaws" and then there's the complete absence of "character". IMHO, Woods is in the latter category.

Meh, you have no idea what his marriage was like or what it was premised on from the outset. If he wasn't married nothing he did would be all that newsworthy, although I'm one of those people that lives in the real world and doesn't consider rich people nailing hot young girls who were paid to 'party' to be a shocking reveal. Call me cynical, but I just don't buy that the marriage was a true loving relationship at any point. Something about it always seemed way too convenient and polished to be real.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You know as well as anyone that when you play golf, you're naked out there. There are no teammates, no coaches. Everything little thing affects your concentration. He feeds of the huge crowds that follow him. Will crowds still pay big dollars to see him? Fans cheer for heroes.. he no longer is one.

Do they? Look at how many people showed up or tuned in every game to wait and watch Barry Bonds (who you even noted has always been a ######) hit that big home run, people care about winners/record breakers and also putting sports figures into the hero category is what is wrong with this world anyways. Heroes are policeman, fireman, soldiers, etc. not sports athletes, they are entertainers.

I understand what you are saying but I think as soon as Tiger gets back on the course, wins a few tournaments, his sponsors and fans will push all this to the back burner and there will be some new athlete for everyone to hate and make front page news.

This will always be part of Tiger's life when people look back at his career but I think it will be nothing more than a blip on the radar when everything is said and done.

Personally I think he is an idiot! If he wanted to live the life that he was living he should have never got married and put his wife and more importantly his kids through all this. I'm just glad the kids are young enough that it won't be memory that will stick with them forever.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I would like to make it clear I am not trying to protect Tiger or think what he did was at all right. IMO if you are at that part in your life or marriage just get a divorce.

However I just find it disgusting that with everything that is going on in this world that Tiger cheating on his wife should be the first story, of every news cast. Even with these Doctor being arrested for being linked with illegal steroid distribution the first thing out of people's mouths isn't the doctors name it is "Tiger once dealt with a doctor that..."

If people actually felt bad for his wife, children and family they wouldn't continue to drag them throw the mud along with Tiger. How is some guy in the bushes taking a picture of his wife without a wedding ring helping anyone but the nosey people who are just as much loser living through Hollywood stars lives. Who cares she is not wearing her ring? What type of girl wouldn't throw that on the table for a few weeks after finding out her husband slept with another woman or women?

IMO there are more pressing issues in this world than Tiger Woods and some hookers. And the continued press is only hurting people like his wife and children, more than Tiger.

I disagree. I suspect the bad press is hurting Woods WAY MORE than its hurting his wife and children. Woods has been exposed to the world for the filandering slut that he is... his wife and children are the wronged, innocent victims.
John Q public who is not an avid golf fan, will never look at Woods in the same way again. Wood's non golf related pr/advertising career is finished. Nike (who has invested millions in the Tiger Woods golf brand), will stick by him but I bet you'll never see his face on a cereal box after this.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I disagree. I suspect the bad press is hurting Woods WAY MORE than its hurting his wife and children. Woods has been exposed to the world for the filandering slut that he is... his wife and children are the wronged, innocent victims.
John Q public who is not an avid golf fan, will never look at Woods in the same way again. Wood's non golf related pr/advertising career is finished. Nike (who has invested millions in the Tiger Woods golf brand, will stick by him but I bet you'll never see his face on a cereal box after this.

I mean it is hurting everyone around him as well because if I was in this situation (Woods, wife, kids, whoever) I would want to move on from the situation, not keep re-living it every time I turn on the 6 o'clock news.

Also I believe once Tiger win another Major the golf world will forgive and forget, along with sponsors. Why did these sponsors that dropped him wait until he said he wasn't going to play golf anymore? They only backed out because they didn't want to pay a man who wasn't even playing the sport they are paying him to play, not because of what he did to his wife.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I mean it is hurting everyone around him as well because if I was in this situation (Woods, wife, kids, whoever) I would want to move on from the situation, not keep re-living it every time I turn on the 6 o'clock news.

Also I believe once Tiger win another Major the golf world will forgive and forget, along with sponsors. Why did these sponsors that dropped him wait until he said he wasn't going to play golf anymore? They only backed out because they didn't want to pay a man who wasn't even playing the sport they are paying him to play, not because of what he did to his wife.

While I believe that there will be some forgiveness, I also believe that if Woods ever surpasses Jack's records that people will certainly attach an asterick's to his name in the record book, and he will never ever be looked at with the reverence of Nicklaus.

Basically Tiger Woods has become the Barry Bonds of golf. He's an amazing player, but he's a blight.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I mean it is hurting everyone around him as well because if I was in this situation (Woods, wife, kids, whoever) I would want to move on from the situation, not keep re-living it every time I turn on the 6 o'clock news.

Also I believe once Tiger win another Major the golf world will forgive and forget, along with sponsors.

You are probably right... the "golf world" will forgive him and "golf related sponsors" will probably do the same.... but golf is a very small part of the marketing world and Woods can kiss those other contracts goodbye.

Originally Posted by HOOT

Why did these sponsors that dropped him wait until he said he wasn't going to play golf anymore? They only backed out because they didn't want to pay a man who wasn't even playing the sport they are paying him to play, not because of what he did to his wife.

I think you're being naive. They dropped him because of the devastating bad press he was getting. These corporations don't want to be associated with a serial adulterer, who has been involved with porn stars and hookers (or "escorts" as they like to call themselves these days).

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You are probably right... the "golf world" will forgive him and "golf related sponsors" will probably do the same.... but golf is a very small part of the marketing world and Woods can kiss those other contracts goodbye.

Golf is a relatively small part of the marketing world, that's true. It's also a market that features perhaps the most affluent individuals.

Incidentally it includes a good number of older men that use golf partially as a means to avoid their wives. If anything Tiger has given them inspiration to find new means of doing so.

[Ethaniel]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

While I believe that there will be some forgiveness, I also believe that if Woods ever surpasses Jack's records that people will certainly attach an asterick's to his name in the record book, and he will never ever be looked at with the reverence of Nicklaus.

Basically Tiger Woods has become the Barry Bonds of golf. He's an amazing player, but he's a blight.

Why because he did something wrong in his personal life. This is complete garbage... When Tiger Woods passes Jack's records there will be no Asterisk by his name because he didn't cheat at golf or get accused of using a banned substance.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

Golf is a relatively small part of the marketing world, that's true. It's also a market that features perhaps the most affluent individuals.

Incidentally it includes a good number of older men that use golf partially as a means to avoid their wives. If anything Tiger has given them inspiration to find new means of doing so.

So true... what will our wives be thinking the next time we say we're going golfing?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Ethaniel

Why because he did something wrong in his personal life. This is complete garbage... When Tiger Woods passes Jack's records there will be no Asterisk by his name because he didn't cheat at golf or get accused of using a banned substance.

I think a better analogy is that Woods might become the Mike Tyson of golf. After he retires, his golf accomplishments might be over shadowed by his "extra curricular" activities. Everyone will be impressed by his records but will smirk when they think of the man.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think a better analogy is that Woods might become the Mike Tyson of golf. After he retires, his golf accomplishments might be over shadowed by his "extra curricular" activities. Everyone will be impressed by his records but will smirk when they think of the man.

Cheating on your wife isnt raping a chick. Last time I checked Tiger didnt bite Phil's ear off either.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

While I believe that there will be some forgiveness, I also believe that if Woods ever surpasses Jack's records that people will certainly attach an asterick's to his name in the record book, and he will never ever be looked at with the reverence of Nicklaus.

Basically Tiger Woods has become the Barry Bonds of golf. He's an amazing player, but he's a blight.

That is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Anyone putting an asterisks beside Tiger's name is nothing but a fool, cheating on his wife is not the same as cheating to win championships/records.

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think you're being naive. They dropped him because of the devastating bad press he was getting. These corporations don't want to be associated with a serial adulterer, who has been involved with porn stars and hookers (or "escorts" as they like to call themselves these days).

Yet it took them a week to do it. None of the sponsors dropped him until he said he wasn't playing golf anymore, I guess that was just a coincidence it took them a week to do so after the story came out.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I think a better analogy is that Woods might become the Mike Tyson of golf. After he retires, his golf accomplishments might be over shadowed by his "extra curricular" activities. Everyone will be impressed by his records but will smirk when they think of the man.

Ya cheating on your wife with porn stars is pretty equal to raping women. Wow people are sure taking this thing pretty far.

[Jetsfan]

Tiger's women...its all about the money.

Jungers goes on to complain that it was the golfer's cheapness — not his married-ness — that ultimately broke them up.

"Tiger was always tight with money," she said. "I was in tears as I begged [him] to give me financial assistance. He just batted me away and told me, 'Look, don't worry, babe. I'm sure everything will work itself out.'"

http://www.calgaryherald.com/enterta...960/story.html

[flip]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Ya cheating on your wife with porn stars is pretty equal to raping women. Wow people are sure taking this thing pretty far.

Weren't you complaining earlier that another poster put words in your mouth? Pretty sure that is exactly what you did here.

Tyson did a lot more than get convicted of rape to disgrace his name.

The point I think Rerun was trying to make is that some athletes allow their train wreck personal lives to overshadow their athletic accomplishments.


I'm not sure how you came to equate that with Tiger Woods cheating on his wife and Tyson being a rapist being the same thing.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by flip

I'm not sure how you came to equate that with Tiger Woods cheating on his wife and Tyson being a rapist being the same thing.

Well Tyson's wreak started with the rape, as Tigers wreak started with his cheating on his wife. To me that is what I am looking at.

Comparing the two is stupid and as you can see I'm not the only one who took it that way.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Cheating on your wife isnt raping a chick. Last time I checked Tiger didnt bite Phil's ear off either.

Now THAT would be some to see. Ratings for the next tournament would go through the roof!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by flip

Weren't you complaining earlier that another poster put words in your mouth? Pretty sure that is exactly what you did here.

Tyson did a lot more than get convicted of rape to disgrace his name.

The point I think Rerun was trying to make is that some athletes allow their train wreck personal lives to overshadow their athletic accomplishments.


I'm not sure how you came to equate that with Tiger Woods cheating on his wife and Tyson being a rapist being the same thing.

What's the biggest controversy in Tyson's career? In Tiger's?

Point made.