Blue Jays offseason

[moon]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I don't follow baseball nearly as much as some on here, but isn't the Angels alleged offer of Saunders, Aybar and Boujrous (OF Prospect) pretty damn good??

Saunders is a proven commodity in the AL, Aybar would fix both the SS predicament in Toronto and the lead-off problem.

The main "problem" with the deal is that the Jays don't get back a top starter as it is thought that they want.

Saunders is likely a 3 with potential to be a number 2 starter on a team.

Aybar is good but likely never going to be a better than average hitter.

Boujrous is an interesting prospect who could make the deal a winner for the Jays.

To me it seems like a very safe move as you don't end up with a superstar player/s coming back but you do get 3 players that likely contribute to your team for awhile.

Compare that to the Phillies offer where Happ could be a number 1 but is less established than Saunders and the prospect doesn't offer the sure thing that Aybar is.

[moon]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Who is doing play by play? Buck is a color guy.

the reports I saw said that Buck would be doing the play by play.

I assume it will be the usual mix of former mediocre Jays doing color unless Zaun's play-off gig means that they want to use him more next season.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Who is doing play by play? Buck is a color guy.

Yeah but all the reports from Sportsnet are that he has been brought in to do PBP. Until they say otherwise I would assume he's switching over.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by moon

The main "problem" with the deal is that the Jays don't get back a top starter as it is thought that they want.

Saunders is likely a 3 with potential to be a number 2 starter on a team.

Aybar is good but likely never going to be a better than average hitter.

Boujrous is an interesting prospect who could make the deal a winner for the Jays.

To me it seems like a very safe move as you don't end up with a superstar player/s coming back but you do get 3 players that likely contribute to your team for awhile.

Compare that to the Phillies offer where Happ could be a number 1 but is less established than Saunders and the prospect doesn't offer the sure thing that Aybar is.

Just curious, what makes you say Aybar will never be more then an average batter?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

Just curious, what makes you say Aybar will never be more then an average batter?

His history in the minors and his play in the major leagues.

I don't think that being an average hitter is as bad as some may think either.

He has little to no power, his on base percentage isn't great and he hits for decent average. He doesn't really do anything great in terms of hitting, is 35 years old and I just don't see how/why he is would be expected to be better than average.

I don't think he will be bad but in terms of hitting I would expect him to be about 6-9 amongst AL shortstops every year which is an average hitter.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Moon, BS, you're better than that light assessment. Aybar, granted, isn't a power threat. He is, however, A future multible GGlover, plus a speed and an OBP threat. He had a fantastic year as a 25 yo. Pair that with Hill and that defensively is solid for at least 4 controllable years at an affordable rate. Put that in the leadoff position and you have the makings of a threat of speed on the basepaths to offset the former notions of a slow Jays lineup. Gathright is a nice option of the bench. He will mean more to a new Jays philo than initially considered. YOu say that Saunders isn't a top of the rotation starter, but I disagree.

Joe Saunders has good numbers, but will now get to pitch against the best. I would love to have him as a veteran compliment to Romero, Marcum, Cecil, Zep, Tallet, Rich. Add that to Saunders and perhaps we may have the makings of an interesting Rotation. Sure, Roy is a better option, but do you want to keep giving an out away every nine AB's like the NL? JMac isn't a contenders option at SS. Gonzalez was for a confident Marlins squad, but for the Bo Sox last year he was thrust into a role he couldn't succeed in.

Set yourself up the middle with proven talent and find production for your OF spots, Get quality arms then contend for the Ploff's.

I digress, Aybar in the 1 spot is nice with our other hitters. Our pitching depth is intriguing. NOthing is proven but a lot is to be gained. We don't have the sheen of the yanks, the fans of the sox, the talent of the rays and the surprise of the O's, but the jays, if all goes right, have a better shot without halladay if you consider our present and future SS options. Good D behind our pitching futures is a good recipe if you ask me.

The jays need to develope a structure like what has worked for teams like the rays, whom have made it to the WS recently despite the lineups and challenges of the Yanks 'n sox. Their immutable traits are speed, pitching and youth. Hill and Lind are our youth and power, we have snider and dopriak, the rotation, so there are pieces to succeed, but will AA be able to configure for optimal outpup. NOw, we need speed, we have youth with our pitching.

Link for Gathright: http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=301795

[flambers]

I bet the rumoured offer from the Angels is all BS anyhow, however the Jays will target either a high-end shortstop or a high-end Catcher in the Halladay deal IMO.

If the offer was true obtaining Aybar would be a great deal. Jays have pitching depth they have a serious lack of quality Short stops and Catchers (i.e JP had a rough year last season).

[Flickered Flame]

Jays have signed catcher John Buck this afternoon.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4738924

[habernac]

SI says Halladay is going to the Phillies in a three way deal which will send Cliff Lee to Seattle. No word on who the Jays get. It says also the Jays will pay a portion of Doc's salary next year. WTF? If you're trading Vernon Wells I can see them eating some salary, but Halladay? Come on.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=302350

[JayP]

Originally Posted by habernac

SI says Halladay is going to the Phillies in a three way deal which will send Cliff Lee to Seattle. No word on who the Jays get. It says also the Jays will pay a portion of Doc's salary next year. WTF? If you're trading Vernon Wells I can see them eating some salary, but Halladay? Come on.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=302350

It's hard to judge until the details on who the Jays are going to get in return come in.

If the Jays had to throw down a little cash in a rebuilding year to upgrade from a good prospect to a great one it would probably be worth it.

[Pagal4321]

Yup, I think that pitching in of salary all has to do with who's coming the other way.

Who does Seattle have in the system that would potentially interest the Jays? We've heard about the Phillies prospects from last year, but wonder who Seattle is going to part with.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Yup, I think that pitching in of salary all has to do with who's coming the other way.

Who does Seattle have in the system that would potentially interest the Jays? We've heard about the Phillies prospects from last year, but wonder who Seattle is going to part with.

Phillippe Aumont for sure... Canadian pitcher

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Phillippe Aumont for sure... Canadian pitcher

Speculation is its Aumont and Taylor... not sure if there is other prospects coming to the Jays

There is also talk out there that another Blue Jay could be in the trade possibly Overbay or Downs.

I guess nothing will be confirmed until Doc passes his physical and agree's to an extension.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flambers

Speculation is its Aumont and Taylor... not sure if there is other prospects coming to the Jays

There is also talk out there that another Blue Jay could be in the trade possibly Overbay or Downs.

I guess nothing will be confirmed until Doc passes his physical and agree's to an extension.

It's possible that Overbay could be heading to Seattle with Russel Branyan currently unsigned.

[Jason14h]

26. Phillippe Aumont
RHP, SEA
The rising wave of Canadian pitchers continued when Seattle chose Quebec native Philipe Aumont with their first-round pick in 2007. With visions of Randy Johnson dancing in their heads, the Mariners are definitely...</I>
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42. Michael Taylor
OF, PHI
A 6-6, 250lb monster back in high school, Taylor avoided an early draft by committing to Stanford. When he emerged from college, he was gobbled up by the Phillies in the same 5th round selection that netted them Ryan...</I>
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[Jason14h]

Seattle also has :

15. Dustin Ackley
OF, SEA
A scout's wet dream, Dustin Ackley was one of the best college hitters of the 2009 class. After destroying ACC pitching as a freshman, he was taken second overall by the Seattle Mariners. While his speed and toolset...</I>
More Scouting Book Info on Dustin Ackley >

[showtime]

According to ESPN Halladay to Phils and Lee to the Ms is almost a done deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4742072

[flambers]

Originally Posted by showtime

According to ESPN Halladay to Phils and Lee to the Ms is almost a done deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4742072

From what I read, nothing will be done until Doc passes his Physical and signs an extension. However it sounds like the a deal is agreed to in principle.

Will be curious to see the full deal.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Hmm...Aumont already has elbow issues (according to the Scouting Report)? That is just a little scary.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

I'm just relieved this is coming to a head. Hopefully the jays strike oil with some of these prospects. I have visions the Santana trade return coming to our woeful franchise. Wow, we are going to lose a lot of games this year.

If we only get aumont, D'arnaud and Philly outfielder, I will be very melancholy. finally, the Phills have their revenge on the jays for the 93 series.