Canada to release World Junior Invites tomorrow

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Erixon..........

Dont know what I was thinking haha.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flame4Ever

I don't know too much about any of the new invitees from the WHL, NCAA and the Q. Does anybody want to comment on those?

I would say that out of the 10 invitees from the WHL everyone is a lock other than Jones and Kouzon.

Cowan may have issues due to his health but if he is fine to go I would expect him and Teubert to be the shutdown pair this year.

Kouzon has a shot to make it and I think that it is very unlikely that Jones makes it.

Maybe not as high a number of WHL guys invited as we are used to but it should still be a very good representation from the W on the team as usual.

Glennie-Schenn-Eakin would make for a very good second line and if not that line I could see Eakin with Della Rovere and Cormier as the shut down line for Canada.

I don't know much about the NCAA guys other than they rarely make the team and there isn't anyone on the list that seems to jump out as a guy that will change that.

[FoxMulder91]

Kozun had another two goals and two assists tonight. Its amazing he went in the 6th round.

[moon]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Kozun had another two goals and two assists tonight. Its amazing he went in the 6th round.

I agree it is amazing but only because it is amazing that he was drafted at all.

The list of great junior scorers that do nothing at the next level is very long, let alone when you throw in the fact that he is tiny.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Kozun had another two goals and two assists tonight. Its amazing he went in the 6th round.

he was drafted as a 19 year-old; he was mediocre the first time he went thru the draft

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

he was drafted as a 19 year-old; he was mediocre the first time he went thru the draft

He still put up 40 goals and 68 assists last year.

[moon]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

He still put up 40 goals and 68 assists last year.

The list of big time junior scorers who don't make it to the NHL is long.

In fact a lot of the time the top scorers in the CHL are guys who will never make the NHL.

Doesn't mean that Kozun won't make it but scoring a ton on a top team is a poor indicator of NHL potential.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

He still put up 40 goals and 68 assists last year.

as a 19 year-old; he had 58 pts as an 18 year old in his first year of draft eligibility. There's a reason why he was passed over 390 times thru two drafts before the kings took him in the 6th round

[icarus]

I think there is a good chance that someone gets hurt and Brodie takes his spot at the camp.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

as a 19 year-old; he had 58 pts as an 18 year old in his first year of draft eligibility. There's a reason why he was passed over 390 times thru two drafts before the kings took him in the 6th round

I've noticed some smart decisions by the kings to take the high scoring guys like Kozun in the late rounds. They did the same thing with Azevedo. Seems like a smart plan because they might be late blooming types.

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

as a 19 year-old; he had 58 pts as an 18 year old in his first year of draft eligibility. There's a reason why he was passed over 390 times thru two drafts before the kings took him in the 6th round

Yea, because Sutter would rather draft a plug like Bennett in the 5th round.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Yea, because Sutter would rather draft a plug like Bennett in the 5th round.

he was passed over 10-12 times by pretty much every GM; a lot of 'plugs' were drafted ahead of him and many will have better careers

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

he was passed over 10-12 times by pretty much every GM; a lot of 'plugs' were drafted ahead of him and many will have better careers

Yes, Kozun was likely passed over due to his size and his average season before his first draft. Last season he led scoring in the WHL almost all year and finished with 108 points. This season, he is again leading scoring in the Dub with 61 pts in 32 games.

How can you even begin to guess on how people's careers will go when they're still in the WHL? Leading in the WHL by no means equates to success in the AHL, but you're basically writing it off as a non-factor.

The kid is slightly bigger than Theo and is the top scorer in a league of 6'1" 200lbs guys. Give him the credit he deserves for what he has done and give him a chance before you write him off.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flame4Ever

I disagree with your assesment of De Haan's abilities, altough I have to say that given the current situation I do prefer Brodie slightly if only for maurity and strength.
De Haan's point totals are expectd to go down since Tavares and Parnham are both not playing with Oshawa and they are a terrible team this year. He's a solid guy who's just a solid two way skating defenceman and you can never have too many of those. He's one of the few plus players on his team.

Obviously he isn't terrible... but he's still a terrible reach for 12th overall. He's not going to be a shut down guy and unless he's scoring he's a borderline NHLer and I really question if he's got that ability to do that at the NHL level.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Yes, Kozun was likely passed over due to his size and his average season before his first draft. Last season he led scoring in the WHL almost all year and finished with 108 points. This season, he is again leading scoring in the Dub with 61 pts in 32 games.

How can you even begin to guess on how people's careers will go when they're still in the WHL? Leading in the WHL by no means equates to success in the AHL, but you're basically writing it off as a non-factor.

The kid is slightly bigger than Theo and is the top scorer in a league of 6'1" 200lbs guys. Give him the credit he deserves for what he has done and give him a chance before you write him off.

Again, there have been plenty of guys who have lead the various leagues in the CHL in scoring and amounted to nothing when it came to the NHL.

People have to realize that there is a lot more to scouting junior players and projecting how they will do in the NHL than just looking at scoring.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by moon

Again, there have been plenty of guys who have lead the various leagues in the CHL in scoring and amounted to nothing when it came to the NHL.

People have to realize that there is a lot more to scouting junior players and projecting how they will do in the NHL than just looking at scoring.

Very true. Just look at Byron Ritchie (using him as a example), he put up over 100 pts in the dub twice. There are many players who put up big numbers in junior, that doesn't mean they will go on put up those numbers in the nhl.

[604flames]

Originally Posted by moon

Again, there have been plenty of guys who have lead the various leagues in the CHL in scoring and amounted to nothing when it came to the NHL.

People have to realize that there is a lot more to scouting junior players and projecting how they will do in the NHL than just looking at scoring.

Insert obligatory David Ling reference here.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Ducay

How can you even begin to guess on how people's careers will go when they're still in the WHL? Leading in the WHL by no means equates to success in the AHL, but you're basically writing it off as a non-factor.

not once in any of my posts did I disparage Kozun. I simply rationalized why he was drafted in the 6th round in his second year of draft elligibilty, despite his stats.

Fox, on the other hand, described Bennett as a 'plug', which resulted in my speculative retort (that you quoted) that 'plugs' can have good careers

Scouting hundreds of prospects around the world is a tough job. I'll leave it to the pro's, who decided 390 players were better (and therefore drafted before) Kozun.

Hindsight scouting of the stats page, however, is easy.