Good News for Supporters of the Return of the Winnipeg Jets!

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Ah, that'll go over well.

[HOOT]

Oh wow. This thread just went from 1 star to 5 stars quickly.

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Oh, and I got a laugh in the article how they quote Bettman saying they need a 15,000-16,000 seat arena, and they have precisely 15,002 for hockey (according to the article). Just over bare minimum! Yes!!!!

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by flip

Yikes. Next time I'll just PM a mod who isn't PMSing.


All I did is ask for the link. Geez. Sensitive much? "problem with the mods"? I asked if the link could be put back in and then quite clearly said "OR WAS THERE NONE?"

Wow, you're in a great mood today. You need a beer or 12.

[Ren]

[Resolute 14]

Neither Winnipeg paper has anything interesting, but for people living the delusion:

Bettman claims MTS has enough seats (from April 09)

Not only are all 30 teams staying, but expansion! (Dec 4) - Bettman mentions Winnipeg wants a team. Well duh.

Course, the problem remains that Winnipeg's ability to be a viable long term market has a lot of deep rooted questions that supporters cheerfully ignore any time they are pressed.

Edit: I love how you haul up an eight month old article as if it meant anything today, J4L...

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I don't believe that. You look around the league and 1/3 of the league is selling below 15,000 average attendance, the problem for Winnipeg is they would have to fill it every night, they couldn't 'make up' attendance on the bigger games.

But they don't have the corporate money or the population to even fill the building every night because if they didn't they would just lose their team again in a decade.

we would fill that bad boy every night. Just look at Minnesota. They averaged 11,000 fans throughout their history, until given a second chance with a franchise. Now the sellout the Xcel Energy Centre every single game.

Additionally, there is more than enough corporate support. In fact, we have more major corporations headquartered in Winnipeg than either Edmonton or Ottawa. There is also room to add another ring of luxury boxes, which there is a 5 year waiting list just for AHL hockey in Manitoba!

The Jets are coming back!

In the words of Peter Maher:

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABY!!!

[drewboy12]

Originally Posted by flip

Yikes. Next time I'll just PM a mod who isn't PMSing.


All I did is ask for the link. Geez. Sensitive much? "problem with the mods"? I asked if the link could be put back in and then quite clearly said "OR WAS THERE NONE?"

But ya, There will be no return of the Jets.... Its Winnipeg.... Winnipeg!

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

we would fill that bad boy every night. Just look at Minnesota. They averaged 11,000 fans throughout their history, until given a second chance with a franchise. Now the sellout the Xcel Energy Centre every single game.

Additionally, there is more than enough corporate support. In fact, we have more major corporations headquartered in Winnipeg than either Edmonton or Ottawa. There is also room to add another ring of luxury boxes, which there is a 5 year waiting list just for AHL hockey in Manitoba!

The Jets are coming back!

In the words of Peter Maher:

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABY!!!

You just made a grown man cry

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Neither Winnipeg paper has anything interesting, but for people living the delusion:

Bettman claims MTS has enough seats (from April 09)

Not only are all 30 teams staying, but expansion! (Dec 4) - Bettman mentions Winnipeg wants a team. Well duh.

Course, the problem remains that Winnipeg's ability to be a viable long term market has a lot of deep rooted questions that supporters cheerfully ignore any time they are pressed.

Keep in mind, when the Jets relocated to Phoenix, I think every canadian NHL team was losing money (with the exception of Toronto and Montreal).

Edmonton was barely averaging 12,000 fans/game, and it's a miracle they didn't move to Houston in 1997. Calgary and Ottawa in the red, and averaging 4,000 empty seats each game. Even Vancouver was losing money.

I just find it amazing that people are so quick to criticize the NHL return to Winnipeg, when we were all in the same boat in the mid 1990's.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

we would fill that bad boy every night. Just look at Minnesota. They averaged 11,000 fans throughout their history, until given a second chance with a franchise. Now the sellout the Xcel Energy Centre every single game.

Minnesota: 3,500,000
Winnipeg: 700,000

Their city is also close to 6 times as populated as yours. It is not even close there is just no way there are going to be enough people in Winnipeg that can afford the luxury of NHL priced tickets.

Additionally, there is more than enough corporate support. In fact, we have more major corporations headquartered in Winnipeg than either Edmonton or Ottawa. There is also room to add another ring of luxury boxes, which there is a 5 year waiting list just for AHL hockey in Manitoba!

You may have more corporations (if true) than other NHL cities but are those corporations going to spend the money it will take to buy a luxury box in the NHL? Are they going to spend the money to advertise in what would be the smallest market in the NHL?

The Jets are coming back!

Keep dreaming but you are getting your hopes up over nothing. NHL hockey will not be in Winnipeg for a long, long time, if ever!

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

There is also room to add another ring of luxury boxes, which there is a 5 year waiting list just for AHL hockey in Manitoba!

I'm going to premise by saying I'm an East Coaster, and the most I know of Winnipeg is walking around the Forks, and eating at VJ's drive in, while taking the train out west and back. I'm not familiar with Winnipeg, but have argued since before the MTS Centre was built, it was too small (needs another 3,000-4,000 seats for the NHL).

I'm also going to premise by saying I'd like the Jets back in Winnipeg, I'd love to see more Canadian teams in the NHL.

That said,

If there's a 5 year waiting list for luxury boxes for the Moose, what plans do they have to add them? If there is that long of a wait, it's completely foolish not to expand and build them now. First of all it's more revenue being brought in, and secondly it's an actual demonstration and step toward showing the NHL that Winnipeg is indeed capable of housing an NHL team.

If what you're saying is true, the proof is in the pudding. Otherwise, Halifax just needs a new rink and the Thrashers are going to be on the move!

[Resolute 14]

Hard numbers, J4L. Don't give me meaningless statements like "we have more major corporations headquartered in Winnipeg than either Edmonton or Ottawa", give me the stats. I'd also love to see a comparison of average income, taxes and disposable income between Winnipeg, Edmonton and Ottawa. Oh, and population counts would be nice too.

Winnipeg is not Bloomington. Proof by example is a logical fallacy.

The AHL is not the NHL, again, proof by example is a logical fallacy.

Of course, the funny thing is, you brag about how Bettman says MTS is large enough (it isn't), but ignore where he says no teams are moving. So, aside from the fact that you are picking and choosing which statements are important to be considered truth while dismissing that which does not suit your opinion. (cherry picking fallacy)

And, of course, with this topic, there is a liberal dose of argumentum ad nauseam occuring

[Dion]

Next, in today's sports market, you have to think long term. When you build an arena or stadium, you have to get it right the first time or else. A proper size arena will protect Winnipeg from economic problems like salary escalation, the fall of the Canadian dollar, and other unexpected crisis. A proper arena would allow Winnipeg to bid and keep more star players and free agents for a longer period of time.

In addition, many of the arguments made for expansion to Winnipeg are based on attendance comparisons with the money-losing American franchises. The only fact is that those cities are losing money. It does not prove that Winnipeg is viable or profitable with the current arena. All it does prove is that Winnipeg compares more favorably with the money-losers. The NHL can simply solve this problem by contracting all those franchises or moving them to better American markets. Then, Winnipeg will have no other city to positively compare with.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...nipeg-jet-fans

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Minnesota: 3,500,000
Winnipeg: 700,000

Their city is also close to 6 times as populated as yours. It is not even close there is just no way there are going to be enough people in Winnipeg that can afford the luxury of NHL priced tickets.

More importantly, the North Stars were based in Bloomington, which is on the SW corner of the Minneapolis-St. Paul MSA. The Wild are based in the heart of St. Paul. I might be more forgiving of this comparison if the old Winnipeg Arena was in Headingley rather than Polo Park.

[HOOT]

When Winnipeg doubles it's population it can handle an NHL team.

Hell maybe they can get me a team out here on the rock. It would have to be one hell of a team thought else these Canuckleheads would never show up.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Hard numbers, J4L. Don't give me meaningless statements like "we have more major corporations headquartered in Winnipeg than either Edmonton or Ottawa", give me the stats. I'd also love to see a comparison of average income, taxes and disposable income between Winnipeg, Edmonton and Ottawa. Oh, and population counts would be nice too.

Winnipeg is not Bloomington. Proof by example is a logical fallacy.

The AHL is not the NHL, again, proof by example is a logical fallacy.

Of course, the funny thing is, you brag about how Bettman says MTS is large enough (it isn't), but ignore where he says no teams are moving. So, aside from the fact that you are picking and choosing which statements are important to be considered truth while dismissing that which does not suit your opinion. (cherry picking fallacy)

And, of course, with this topic, there is a liberal dose of argumentum ad nauseam occuring

I read your post, but it was so negative that I had to visit Dr.Phil's website. I feel better now.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I read your post, but it was so negative that I had to visit Dr.Phil's website. I feel better now.

Well that proves your point there. Bring a team to Manitoba!

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I read your post, but it was so negative that I had to visit Dr.Phil's website. I feel better now.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by HOOT

When Winnipeg doubles it's population it can handle an NHL team.

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Winnipeg's population is growing at it's fastest pace in 40 years. We are now at 740,000 in the CMA. Raleigh, North Carolina has a metro area population similiar to Calgary, if I am not mistaken. can you honestly say that Raleigh has more hockey fans willing to buy tickets to NHL games than Winnipeg? Buffalo, Nashville, and Columbus are not exactly huge cities either.