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octothorp · 12-03-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, the Taliban had clamped down on the heroin trade, so if they return to power, I assume they would once again clamp down on "sin". However, that does not make the rest of your points any less valid - it is actually even more complex... India is a supporter of the Karzai regime, which of course, is a problem for Pakistan, which means that Pakistan doesn't so much mind Taliban activity in Afghanistan...

Good points, and I think you're right that if the Taliban would return to power, there would be a clamping down on the drug trade. I don't really consider it a fait accompli that withdrawing from Afghanistan now will result in a return to a Taliban government though. I'd expect it would be a decade if not more of the Taliban, the tribal warlords, and the current government all having control of various parts of the country, with each of them shifting allegiances and trying to curry favour with external powers, much as there is now, but with more civilian casualties and less control.

VladtheImpaler · 12-03-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by octothorp

Good points, and I think you're right that if the Taliban would return to power, there would be a clamping down on the drug trade. I don't really consider it a fait accompli that withdrawing from Afghanistan now will result in a return to a Taliban government though. I'd expect it would be a decade if not more of the Taliban, the tribal warlords, and the current government all having control of various parts of the country, with each of them shifting allegiances and trying to curry favour with external powers, much as there is now, but with more civilian casualties and less control.

In a word... yes.

Phaneufenstein · 12-03-2009, 03:02 PM

If there were reports of progress of what this war has been accomplishing, I wouldn't be so against it. The only reports I hear are about our boys getting sent home in body bags.

GirlySports · 12-08-2009, 08:34 AM

President Obama's approval rating has finally dropped below 50% overall. What is the CP Grade, Pro or Con on President Obama at this point?

CaptainCrunch · 12-08-2009, 08:41 AM

Surprisingly I gave him a passing grade. Has he been truly effective? Not really, but I have no problems with him trying to reform the health care system, using a surge in Afghanistan as well. I don't think he's handled the economy all that well, but the economy is such a massive mess that I doubt that anyone could fix it. I think he panic'd in the handling of big auto as well.

If the Republican's actually had a good candidate I have no doubt that Obama would be a one term president, but the Republican's are a worse soggy mess then the Liberal's are up here.

moncton golden flames · 12-08-2009, 11:24 AM

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Not really a 'to each their own' situation. I'd love to have you back up your original comment. Or is the link dead?

i said 'to each their own' because everyone has an opinion. my comment was based on my opinion only, i can't provide you a link to that.

octothorp · 12-08-2009, 12:58 PM

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Surprisingly I gave him a passing grade. Has he been truly effective? Not really, but I have no problems with him trying to reform the health care system, using a surge in Afghanistan as well. I don't think he's handled the economy all that well, but the economy is such a massive mess that I doubt that anyone could fix it. I think he panic'd in the handling of big auto as well.

If the Republican's actually had a good candidate I have no doubt that Obama would be a one term president, but the Republican's are a worse soggy mess then the Liberal's are up here.

Suprisingly, I agree with CaptainCrunch. The priorities are right, the initiatives are good, the execution is often not ideal. Passing, but not by much.

VladtheImpaler · 12-08-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

i said 'to each their own' because everyone has an opinion. my comment was based on my opinion only, i can't provide you a link to that.

So, who calls the shots?

FanIn80 · 12-08-2009, 01:06 PM

Wait a minute... so this thread doesn't have anything to do with sending blankets to soldiers?

VladtheImpaler · 12-08-2009, 01:14 PM

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Wait a minute... so this thread doesn't have anything to do with sending blankets to soldiers?

Nor dogs, apparently...

CaptainCrunch · 12-08-2009, 01:15 PM

Do you know how hard it is to shoot a rifle when your wearing a snuggie?

moncton golden flames · 12-08-2009, 01:16 PM

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So, who calls the shots?

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"

figure out who controls the american money supply, and i believe you will realize who really calls the shots.

VladtheImpaler · 12-08-2009, 01:18 PM

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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"

figure out who controls the american money supply, and i believe you will realize who really calls the shots.

China?

moncton golden flames · 12-08-2009, 01:22 PM

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China?

the federal reserve.

china owns a lot of greenbacks, but the control lies with the one who issues it.

valo403 · 12-08-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

the federal reserve.

china owns a lot of greenbacks, but the control lies with the one who issues it.

Umm ya, that kind of claim typically requires more than one sentence of argument.

moncton golden flames · 12-08-2009, 01:27 PM

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Umm ya, that kind of claim typically requires more than one sentence of argument.

do your own homework and develop your own opinions. i was asked to provide mine and i did. if you don't like it, not my problem.

start with the federal reserve, it is not a government body, it is a private corporation. every dollar it issues has debt attached to it. meaning, there is no way ever to repay all the money created.

valo403 · 12-08-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

do your own homework and develop your own opinions. i was asked to provide mine and i did. if you don't like it, not my problem.

the federal reserve is not a gavernment body, it is a private corporation. every dollar it issues has debt attached to it.

Oh I get it now, forgive me for thinking that you might actually attempt to support your opinions.

VladtheImpaler · 12-08-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

do your own homework and develop your own opinions. i was asked to provide mine and i did. if you don't like it, not my problem.

You have to elaborate - the Federal Reserve is an agency, so who controls the Federal Reserve, and is actually running US foreign policy? Is it the Chairman of the Fed, the Secretary of the Treasury, the big banks, the Council of Elders, another shadowy group?

valo403 · 12-08-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You have to elaborate - the Federal Reserve is an agency, so who controls the Federal Reserve, and is actually running US foreign policy? Is it the Chairman of the Fed, the Secretary of the Treasury, the big banks, the Council of Elders, another shadowy group?

Canuck-Hater · 12-08-2009, 01:37 PM

The guys in office for not even a year, and everybody is writing him off. Maybe the approval rating sucks because the American people have no patience while Obama is busy whiping up the crap that Bush left for him.