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through my geologist eyes @03:45
How can you dare argue with someone that says CO2 was X1000 because he's observed/witnessed/ raised a family of 19 in it and they all survived "through my geologist eyes CO2 must have been X1000 times because I've seen it though my "geologist eyes "
To Calgaryborn
HOZ's hero Ian Plimer says me and you are the same person. That's nice. Can we have a religion talk sometime?
Denialism is cool, can't argue with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn tears Beck, and the rest of fox news.
Neat that science has to be a liberal or conservative issue.
Sad really.
It is sad. Environmentalism and Socialism has hijacked a significant segment of the scientific community and really are hurting the credibility of all scientific endeavours. This is the failure of Colleges and Universities to provide balance. Money is the driving force behind the bad science but, ideology is what has caused the majority of the scientific community to turn a blind eye to the inconsistencies in the research.
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We liberals have taken over the academic community, hurting the credibility of our educational facilities.
We liberals have taken over the media, hurting the credibility of our news journalism.
Now we liberals have taken over the scientific community.
For all the important policy impacting occupations we've been able to co-opt, we've been able to effectuate very little change.
Oi.
That's because the productive part of society is adverse to giving up all their wealth so you libs can conduct your social experiments. Experience tells us your a bunch of snake oil salesman. Look at Climategate; The mainstream media has done its best to ignore it. Obama denies there is any problem; The UN says they will investigate but of course they have 30 000 000 000 reasons to come to the conclusion that the climate is in crisis; You Liberals viciously attack anyone who dares raise a question while maintaining all the questions have been answered; And yet 52% of Americans refuse to buy what you are selling. Many of them haven't heard about those e-mails and most of them came to the conclusion not to trust your scare-mongering long before climategate came to light. Sucks to be you.
That's because the productive part of society is adverse to giving up all their wealth so you libs can conduct your social experiments. Experience tells us your a bunch of snake oil salesman. Look at Climategate; The mainstream media has done its best to ignore it. Obama denies there is any problem; The UN says they will investigate but of course they have 30 000 000 000 reasons to come to the conclusion that the climate is in crisis; You Liberals viciously attack anyone who dares raise a question while maintaining all the questions have been answered; And yet 52% of Americans refuse to buy what you are selling. Many of them haven't heard about those e-mails and most of them came to the conclusion not to trust your scare-mongering long before climategate came to light. Sucks to be you.
Can you tell me, a member of the unproductive segment of society, what social experiments I've tried to force on the hardworking men and women like you?
Hey, all I said was you're entitled to that and it's not wrong to question but my original point stands.
If in 3-4 years if there is no evidence against "the conspiracy" will you accept that the hypothesis might have some weight?
Absolutely. No question. It just looks like a few egos are controlling some of the data/findings. Nothing really conspiratorial or unusual, but definitely worth investigation.
And yet 52% of Americans refuse to buy what you are selling. Many of them haven't heard about those e-mails and most of them came to the conclusion not to trust your scare-mongering long before climategate came to light. Sucks to be you.
More like sucks to be them, ignorance is a bad thing, not a virtue as seems to be the growing idea from some in the U.S. Other parts of the world are not afflicted by such ignorance however.
More like sucks to be them, ignorance is a bad thing, not a virtue as seems to be the growing idea from some in the U.S. Other parts of the world are not afflicted by such ignorance however.
Another example:
You see, this is what drives me crazy, the viewpoint that if you don't agree with me you're ignorant end of debate and discussion.
Especially in terms of this climate gate. At the end of the day these emails have done harm to the credibility of the argument about carbon emissions.
I believe that carbon emissions are harmful, however I also believe that part of the climate issues are based around the natural cyclical changes in the planet.
I don't like the proposals put forward in terms of carbon emissions and how the numbers are arrived at.
I also believe that based on the climategate emails that we have to question the reliability of the science directly effected by those involved and it has to be independantly verified before any action is taken that will harm economies.
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How does the overall belief, or lack thereof, in the existance of a creator over that of evolution in any way, shape or form, have anything to do with those that question how much man has had/is having an impact on the climate?????
That's because the productive part of society is adverse to giving up all their wealth so you libs can conduct your social experiments. Experience tells us your a bunch of snake oil salesman. Look at Climategate; The mainstream media has done its best to ignore it. Obama denies there is any problem; The UN says they will investigate but of course they have 30 000 000 000 reasons to come to the conclusion that the climate is in crisis; You Liberals viciously attack anyone who dares raise a question while maintaining all the questions have been answered; And yet 52% of Americans refuse to buy what you are selling. Many of them haven't heard about those e-mails and most of them came to the conclusion not to trust your scare-mongering long before climategate came to light. Sucks to be you.
Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.
Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."
And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."
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The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.
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According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough.
The temptation, then, is to dismiss the whole thing as a ridiculous circus. Many of the participants do not really need to be here. And far from "saving the world," the world's leaders have already agreed that this conference will not produce any kind of binding deal, merely an interim statement of intent.
You see, this is what drives me crazy, the viewpoint that if you don't agree with me you're ignorant end of debate and discussion.
Have you read this thread guy? The people leading the liberal conspiracy bandwagon are partly to entirely ignorant of the science of anthropogenic climate change.
Have you read this thread guy? The people leading the liberal conspiracy bandwagon are partly to entirely ignorant of the science of anthropogenic climate change.
First and foremost, yes I have read the thread.
Second of all
I'm not your guy guy
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You see, this is what drives me crazy, the viewpoint that if you don't agree with me you're ignorant end of debate and discussion.
It depends on why someone disagrees. If they disagree based on reason and evidence and such then there's a discussion to be had.
But as you can see that's not the case. Direct questions and requests for support of claims go ignored. Then CB posts that 52% of a group of people don't accept something as if that has any relevance to the actual validity of that thing. That's one of the reasons I posted that graph; to illustrate that popular opinion isn't a measure of the validity of something.
If someone refuses to engage in a discussion, they're the ones ending the discussion.
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Especially in terms of this climate gate. At the end of the day these emails have done harm to the credibility of the argument about carbon emissions.
That's what some people want you to believe as they froth about these emails, but why do you say that? What exactly in the emails calls any science into question? Even if it is found that one of them refused FOI requests to people who are getting the information just to "find" manufactured problems to try and win mindshare in the media doesn't mean the science isn't valid.
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I believe that carbon emissions are harmful, however I also believe that part of the climate issues are based around the natural cyclical changes in the planet.
Of course there's cycles, you don't think they're aware of those and try to take those into account?
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I also believe that based on the climategate emails that we have to question the reliability of the science directly effected by those involved and it has to be independantly verified before any action is taken that will harm economies.
Again which emails exactly call the reliability of the science into question? Be specific.
It has already received independent verification. Peer review, separate and completely independent data sets that agree, hundreds of thousands of papers by thousands of scientists with observations from a dozen different and independent scientific disciplines all saying the same thing. ZERO papers with alternate theories to explain all the observations. Consilience is a powerful thing.
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How does the overall belief, or lack thereof, in the existance of a creator over that of evolution in any way, shape or form, have anything to do with those that question how much man has had/is having an impact on the climate?????
Who said it did?
Calgaryborn said 52% of Americans don't accept AGW, as if that had some kind of relevance. My point is that popular opinion about something does not say anything about the validity of that thing. And evolution is a perfect example of that.
(And as an aside, the graph doesn't say anything about a creator, it's just about acceptance of evolution, it's not one or the other.)
Never? Your disdain for science has become tiresome.
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time someting like that happened in politics or religion.
-- Carl Sagan (attributed: source unknown)
The repeated Carl Sagan quotes are getting damn tiresome. Do you guys read/understand anyone else?
