Pawing for more Cash

[GGG]

While I support user fees I don't support this one. The concept of greenspace is something that the city provides. Why should one group of users be charged more than another group of users. So either all green spaces need to have user fees proportional to their cost or none should.

I just don't see the difference between running through a park and running through a park with a dog beside you.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Fire

I don't have a problem with user fees if it means less taxes overall. People who use the city services (transit, parks, sport facilities) should be responsible for the majority of the cost.

Generally I'd agree (screw you, suburbia!) but when the user is creating positive externalities they should be subsidized. Public transit users reduce stress on the road system, parks reduce cost to the healthcare system (this one is tricky, since the healthcare system isn't city jurisdiction).

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by GGG

Why should one group of users be charged more than another group of users.

One group of users takes an animal to the park and it takes a dump on the ground in the park. The other group of users doesn't.

I don't have a dog and I don't use dog parks. I wouldn't go to a dog park because dogs go to dog parks and take dumps there. It's a park I can't use. There are no parks in town for people without dogs. Why shouldn't the users pay for the one that's designed for them and not me?

And it is not comparable to either a playground or a regular park, because it's special for dogs and dog owners. Other parks and playgrounds are for people, and people are more important.

Two bucks a month doesn't seem like much for a special group of parks designated for dogs and dog owners.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I don't own a dog.

But I am against this "charge a fee for everything in life" trend that has been going on in recent years.

One day eventually, I am sure it will cost money to take a dump somewhere.....or to breathe...

[Sliver]

You've got to be kidding me...more dog parks?! What a fataing outrage. There shouldn't be any parks that allow dogs to run around leash or no leash. The only park I'd find acceptable for dogs to run around in is one privately owned. I HATE that a single penny of mine goes toward maintenance of these germy, disgusting places. As far as I'm concerned the $25 fee is just a token gesture to appease people like me, but it does nothing to address the problem, IMO.

Your dog should be allowed to urinate and crap in your backyard and nowhere else (and you should be required to clean it up daily so I don't have to smell it when I walk by your house - and don't even get me started on having to listen to your mutt bark). It's absurd we let them crap and piss all over public spaces. For crying out loud if a person pees in a public space they face a fine, meanwhile dogs are doing their business all around the parks at which my kids play.

If I took a dump in my own backyard once a day I bet it wouldn't be long before the cops showed up. I'd probably have to undergo some psychological testing for that and I probably would end up in the nuthouse. How people can't see it's just as nasty when a dog does it is beyond me.

And every dog owner I've ever met says they clean up their dog's crap. Yeah right. I'm sure every dog owner, at least once a year, doesn't pick up their dog's crap. That's thousands of pile of crap right there, nevermind the people that don't pick it up on a regular basis. But know what no dog owner picks up? Pee. Disgusting!

And you don't want to pay for playgrounds because you don't have kids? That's a nonsense arguement. Kids are the future of humanity. Humanity would be just fine without dogs. We need kids and we need them to be healthy, active, socialized, etc. for the future of our species. I think we can throw some tax dollars their way for playgrounds considering they will grow up to be tax-paying citizens that will reimburse us for the use of the playgrounds 1000x over throughout their tax-paying career.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You've got to be kidding me...more dog parks?! What a fataing outrage. There shouldn't be any parks that allow dogs to run around leash or no leash. The only park I'd find acceptable for dogs to run around in is one privately owned. I HATE that a single penny of mine goes toward maintenance of these germy, disgusting places. As far as I'm concerned the $25 fee is just a token gesture to appease people like me, but it does nothing to address the problem, IMO.

Your dog should be allowed to urinate and crap in your backyard and nowhere else (and you should be required to clean it up daily so I don't have to smell it when I walk by your house - and don't even get me started on having to listen to your mutt bark). It's absurd we let them crap and piss all over public spaces. For crying out loud if a person pees in a public space they face a fine, meanwhile dogs are doing their business all around the parks at which my kids play.

If I took a dump in my own backyard once a day I bet it wouldn't be long before the cops showed up. I'd probably have to undergo some psychological testing for that and I probably would end up in the nuthouse. How people can't see it's just as nasty when a dog does it is beyond me.

And every dog owner I've ever met says they clean up their dog's crap. Yeah right. I'm sure every dog owner, at least once a year, doesn't pick up their dog's crap. That's thousands of pile of crap right there, nevermind the people that don't pick it up on a regular basis. But know what no dog owner picks up? Pee. Disgusting!

And you don't want to pay for playgrounds because you don't have kids? That's a nonsense arguement. Kids are the future of humanity. Humanity would be just fine without dogs. We need kids and we need them to be healthy, active, socialized, etc. for the future of our species. I think we can throw some tax dollars their way for playgrounds considering they will grow up to be tax-paying citizens that will reimburse us for the use of the playgrounds 1000x over throughout their tax-paying career.

You realize more animals than just dogs crap and piss in your lovely parks, right? Better start laying fines on those squirrels and pigeons. Just stay in doors and don't step on the grass... There are worse things there than crap molecules.

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by Sliver

buncha BS

is that you DESS?

I go to the dog park at southland on a regular basis and from what I have seen is most people do pick up after their dogs. The dogs need excercise, they are part of people's family whether you want to believe it or not. Dogs can have quite an effective on ones mental state, I know from experience.

Get a life.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You've got to be kidding me...more dog parks?! What a fataing outrage. There shouldn't be any parks that allow dogs to run around leash or no leash. The only park I'd find acceptable for dogs to run around in is one privately owned. I HATE that a single penny of mine goes toward maintenance of these germy, disgusting places. As far as I'm concerned the $25 fee is just a token gesture to appease people like me, but it does nothing to address the problem, IMO.

Your dog should be allowed to urinate and crap in your backyard and nowhere else (and you should be required to clean it up daily so I don't have to smell it when I walk by your house - and don't even get me started on having to listen to your mutt bark). It's absurd we let them crap and piss all over public spaces. For crying out loud if a person pees in a public space they face a fine, meanwhile dogs are doing their business all around the parks at which my kids play.

If I took a dump in my own backyard once a day I bet it wouldn't be long before the cops showed up. I'd probably have to undergo some psychological testing for that and I probably would end up in the nuthouse. How people can't see it's just as nasty when a dog does it is beyond me.

And every dog owner I've ever met says they clean up their dog's crap. Yeah right. I'm sure every dog owner, at least once a year, doesn't pick up their dog's crap. That's thousands of pile of crap right there, nevermind the people that don't pick it up on a regular basis. But know what no dog owner picks up? Pee. Disgusting!

And you don't want to pay for playgrounds because you don't have kids? That's a nonsense arguement. Kids are the future of humanity. Humanity would be just fine without dogs. We need kids and we need them to be healthy, active, socialized, etc. for the future of our species. I think we can throw some tax dollars their way for playgrounds considering they will grow up to be tax-paying citizens that will reimburse us for the use of the playgrounds 1000x over throughout their tax-paying career.

Dude, you just barked up the wrong tree. There are several things you just don't argue on CP. Evolution, ######s, teachers, generalizing americans and dogs.

Just don't do it. You'll never win and the wrath of the CP dog lovers will crush you while you lose.

[Clarkey]

F-ING PINCOTT is behind this garbage. Brought to you by the guy who wants to ban drive-through fast food, trans fats, idling cars, fertilizing your lawn.....

Where have my civil liberties gone? Stick to managing the snow plow and garbage budget Pinco, why do these d-bags have to over-regulate everything?

How did these extremists take over the city hall????

[iggypop]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't own a dog.

But I am against this "charge a fee for everything in life" trend that has been going on in recent years.

One day evenyually, I am sure it will cost money to take a dump somewhere.....or to breathe...

Head to Europe. You have to pay for the majority of the public washrooms there, even found a Mcdicks that was charging to use the crapper. Ridiculous.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

One group of users takes an animal to the park and it takes a dump on the ground in the park. The other group of users doesn't.

I don't have a dog and I don't use dog parks. I wouldn't go to a dog park because dogs go to dog parks and take dumps there. It's a park I can't use. There are no parks in town for people without dogs. Why shouldn't the users pay for the one that's designed for them and not me?

And it is not comparable to either a playground or a regular park, because it's special for dogs and dog owners. Other parks and playgrounds are for people, and people are more important.

Two bucks a month doesn't seem like much for a special group of parks designated for dogs and dog owners.

What the hell are you talking about? 90% of the parks in town have signs that say either no off leash dogs, or NO DOGS PERIOD. Maybe because you don't have a dog, you've never noticed the signs. They're there. Just like the "slower traffic keep right" signs are there.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You've got to be kidding me...more dog parks?! What a fataing outrage. There shouldn't be any parks that allow dogs to run around leash or no leash. The only park I'd find acceptable for dogs to run around in is one privately owned. I HATE that a single penny of mine goes toward maintenance of these germy, disgusting places. As far as I'm concerned the $25 fee is just a token gesture to appease people like me, but it does nothing to address the problem, IMO.

Your dog should be allowed to urinate and crap in your backyard and nowhere else (and you should be required to clean it up daily so I don't have to smell it when I walk by your house - and don't even get me started on having to listen to your mutt bark). It's absurd we let them crap and piss all over public spaces. For crying out loud if a person pees in a public space they face a fine, meanwhile dogs are doing their business all around the parks at which my kids play.

If I took a dump in my own backyard once a day I bet it wouldn't be long before the cops showed up. I'd probably have to undergo some psychological testing for that and I probably would end up in the nuthouse. How people can't see it's just as nasty when a dog does it is beyond me.

And every dog owner I've ever met says they clean up their dog's crap. Yeah right. I'm sure every dog owner, at least once a year, doesn't pick up their dog's crap. That's thousands of pile of crap right there, nevermind the people that don't pick it up on a regular basis. But know what no dog owner picks up? Pee. Disgusting!

And you don't want to pay for playgrounds because you don't have kids? That's a nonsense arguement. Kids are the future of humanity. Humanity would be just fine without dogs. We need kids and we need them to be healthy, active, socialized, etc. for the future of our species. I think we can throw some tax dollars their way for playgrounds considering they will grow up to be tax-paying citizens that will reimburse us for the use of the playgrounds 1000x over throughout their tax-paying career.

Wow. If I cared enough, I'd look to see if there's any coincidental timing between you signing up here and the time DESS somehow noticed that his account was temporarily unlocked.

Your post is overflowing with ######baggery. Not sure if you were bitten as a child, but not all dogs are germ ridden mongrels that piss and sh;t on your lawn. You don't like dogs. Gotcha. I don't like screaming kids. Can you do me a favour and shut yours up in restaurants, airplanes and anywhere else I can hear them? (including when I walk by your yard)(boo friggin hoo)

So if I, as a dog owner, should confine my dog to the yard, and not impose on your tax dollar, why should your kids be whooping it up at a free park? If dogs should pay, so should kids. And don't tell me that dogs are unnecessary and that kids are for perpetuating the human race. You can have 20 kids for all I care. Keep them in your yard. Why am I paying for their playground? Pretty stupid statement, right? Pretty on par with yours.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by fotze

Also, who are those ######s who tie the poo bag to a tree? Thanks fataface for the extra effort.

That is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen and is mostly unique to Edworthy. I find that River Park users are generally very good about cleaning up after their dogs and although the park is one of the most 'doody' free, the "Friends of River Park" (a group of dog owners who use the park) hold monthly cleanups throughout the year - weather permitting in the winter months.

As others have mentioned, if the City issued more tickets for failing to clean up after your dog (at least they could put as much effort into it as they do to enforcing BS parking 'laws' at River Park), the City could probably lower taxes.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

That is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen and is mostly unique to Edworthy. I find that River Park users are generally very good about cleaning up after their dogs and although the park is one of the most 'doody' free, the "Friends of River Park" (a group of dog owners who use the park) hold monthly cleanups throughout the year - weather permitting in the winter months.

As others have mentioned, if the City issued more tickets for failing to clean up after your dog (at least they could put as much effort into it as they do to enforcing BS parking 'laws' at River Park), the City could probably lower taxes.

Place is amazing. I go there all the time and deliberately park by the one dumpster because I know my dog is gonna crap the minute she's out of the truck. On sunday, I let her out and she immediately bolted over to a bunch of dogs that were close to the dumpster. She crapped right away, and as I was walking up to pick it up, some guy swooped in and picked it up before I got there. I was like 30 feet away and hollared "yo, bro! That's my dog, I got it" he just shrugged and did it anyway. Okie dokey. Thanks, man!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What the hell are you talking about? 90% of the parks in town have signs that say either no off leash dogs, or NO DOGS PERIOD.

Ha ha. Well, I guess I worded that wrong.

What I mean is that all the people can go to all the parks. Every dog owner in town can go to any park he or she wants. They can leave the dog at home.

All the dogs can't go to all the parks so some are set aside for the people with dogs. It's a special deal that I don't really have a problem with. I don't have a problem with dogs or most dog owners, but owning a dog is definitely a luxury. If the city spends money maintaining and expanding the parks for people with dogs I don't see why the people with dogs can't pay $2 a month for the luxury of maintained and expanded dog parks.

I don't generally go in for the "I don't want to pay extra for something I don't use" bit, and I know this dog-owner tax won't make any difference, but it's the principle of the thing. You own a dog - you pay for dog facilities and the people who don't have a dog don't pay. What's wrong with that?

You own a fancy house, you pay higher property taxes. You play golf or hockey on/in city facilities, you pony up for that. You get a special area for your dog to run around in, cough up a couple bucks so you and Rover can have a grand old time.

[Delthefunky]

I'm pretty sure it's a line in The Beatles song, "Tax Man".

"And when you want to take your dog to the park, I'll tax his poo..., Yeah cause I'm the taxman!!"

[4X4]

re: rouge Not much of a problem, I guess. But dog owners pay for plenty of stuff. First of all, we pay for registration. Secondly, we support industries and stores that turn around and pay municipal taxes. I don't know if there's a dog food factory in town that pays land taxes, but I do know there are hundreds of dog stores and veterinarians.
It's an industry that caters to a specific client. There is plenty of money flowing into city coffers from dog owners. So this extra tax is just a kick in the teeth, just like the park and ride fee is.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't generally go in for the "I don't want to pay extra for something I don't use" bit, and I know this dog-owner tax won't make any difference, but it's the principle of the thing. You own a dog - you pay for dog facilities and the people who don't have a dog don't pay. What's wrong with that?

Why single out dog owners? That are people out there that don't have kids and have no reason to use the playground facilities. Your logic is faulty.

[jammies]

The whole point of municipal government is to improve the quality of life for residents in general by collecting taxes to pay for services that may benefit specific sections of society unequally. User-pay should be used to ensure only that services are not over-subscribed - and in this case, what are people going to do, buy a half-dozen more dogs because now they have a place to take them?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why single out dog owners? That are people out there that don't have kids and have no reason to use the playground facilities. Your logic is faulty.

Children are different than dogs.