4 police officers killed in Wash. coffee shop

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by T@T

Is that the same Huckabee that tried to run for president? What a moron, if true this should stop him in his political tracks.

Ya, same one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-Huckabee.html

[Cowperson]

It's a tragedy, but I couldn't help think that this:

Documents released this morning by the Arkansas Parole Board show police slaying suspect Maurice Clemmons was supposed to remain in prison there until at least 2015, but won his release by claiming he'd changed while behind bars.

Clemmons' appeal for clemency was granted in May 2000 by then-Gov. Mike Huckabee, who commuted Clemmons sentence and made him immediately eligible for parole.

Clemmons wrote in an appeal to Huckabee that he'd been sent to prison after an extended crime spree that started in 1989 when he was a teenager — and that he was a different person now.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...emency01m.html

. . . . . . sounds an awful lot like Hi McDunnough at his various parole board hearings in Raising Arizona

- Have you learned anything, Hi?
- Yes, sir. You bet.
- You wouldn't lie to us, would you, Hi?
- No, ma'am, hope to say.
OK, then.

and then the next time . . . .

Well, Hi, you done served your 14 months. And seein' as how you never use live ammo, we got no choice but to return you to society. These doors are gonna swing wide.
- l didn't wanna hurt anyone, sir.
- Hi, we respect that. But you're just hurting yourself with this rambunctious behavior.
- l know that, sir.
OK, then.

. . . . . . and then the next time . . . . .

They got a name for people like you, Hi. That name is called ''recidivism.''
Repeat offender! Not a pretty name, is it, Hi?
No, sir. That's one bonehead name. But that ain't me anymore.
Are you just tellin' us what we wanna hear?
No, sir, no way.
Cos we just wanna hear the truth.
Well, then l guess l am tellin' you what you wanna hear.
Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?
Yes, sir.
OK, then.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_s...ript-coen.html

Sad for the officers. But this guy should never have been released.

This is really going to be an albatross around Huckabee's neck as well.

Cowperson

[Byrns]

Willie Horton II

[metallicat]

So now the guy wasn't even in that house they had surrounded. I would have put money on him having put a bullet in his own head inside there. I hope they catch this guy soon before he kills again. Just an awful tragedy. Right up there with Mayerthorpe in terms of senselessness.

[Porkchopp]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It's a tragedy, but I couldn't help think that this:


Sad for the officers. But this guy should never have been released.

This is really going to be an albatross around Huckabee's neck as well.

Cowperson

It's scary, but certain offenders are great at manipulating all sorts of people in power, often parole officers, to achieve all sorts of gains. Generally these people are fairly psychopathic. One of my profs showed in his research that in Canada a psychopathic sex offender has a far better chance of receiving parole than a non-violent, non-psychopathic offender. The parole board doesn't like him much any more.
This case seems to be something similar: an offender manipulating someone in power to get out of jail. Just sad that police officers or others in the public end up paying.

[jolinar of malkshor]

He is dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/1...pect-dead.html

That former Governor should be held responsible. If these politicians are going to over ride the justices system and let these psychopaths out, they should be held responsible if they committ another criminal act. At the bottom of the CBC article Huckabee blames the Justice System and not himself. Typical.

[metallicat]

Did I hear right, that he was recently arrested for raping a 13 year old girl, and wasn't held in jail after that? What a disaster this has turned out to be.


And I'm glad Seattle police were able to shoot this guy dead themselves.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

He is dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/1...pect-dead.html

That former Governor should be held responsible. If these politicians are going to over ride the justices system and let these psychopaths out, they should be held responsible if they committ another criminal act. At the bottom of the CBC article Huckabee blames the Justice System and not himself. Typical.

Huckabee's own words:

"Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State,"

His political opponents are going to beat him to death with that stunning dodge of responsibility.

In the Washington Post today, a commentary wonders if Huckabee the Mininister instead of Huckabee the governor was responsible for extending mercy to this guy.

. . . . in 2007, Garrick Feldman of the Arkansas Leader raised questions about a convicted killer named Glen Green, who was granted clemency by Huckabee. "Huckabee may not have realized it," he wrote, "but every prisoner knew how to get on the governor's good side. Call it Huckabee's religion test. It's a sure ticket to freedom: Tell him you've found religion."

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/o...?hpid=talkbox1

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think that Huckabee's going to be able to dodge this that easily.

Look for his political opponents to absolutely make Hay with this.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think that Huckabee's going to be able to dodge this that easily.

Look for his political opponents to absolutely make Hay with this.

I don't know if Huckabee is hurt significantly by this or not. I did hear him tell his side of the story today and thought his decision to grant clemency was sound giving the circumstances. Huckabee said he was given about 1200 requests for clemency a year. By law in his state the request had to be initiated by the parole board. All 5 parole board members recommended clemency. He also received a letter from the trial Judge recommending clemency. Green had been convicted of burglary and robbery when he was 16 years old and given a 108 year sentence. There were no weapons or violence involved in Green's crimes. Green had been a model prisoner for 11 years. Huckabee by law had to inform the Prosecution attorney, the arresting officer, and the victim of his intent to grant clemency and give them time to respond. According to Huckabee he received no response from any of them. The Prosecution attorney claims he did e-mail Huckabee. Huckabee shortened Green's sentence to 47 years which allowed Green to apply for parole. The Parole board granted Green probation which meant he was free with conditions and if he broke probation he was right back in until 2015. Green did break probation once and was taken into custody but, was later released because the Prosecution attorney took too much time to file charges. Green then moved to Washington.

I don't particularly like Huckabee as a political candidate but, I can't see how he should have acted differently as Governor towards Green. I think the media is once again slanting a story to their political preferences.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't know if Huckabee is hurt significantly by this or not. .

He's done. Like dinner. His political career is as dead as Maurice Clemmons.

[Montana Moe]

Agreed, this will come up in every single interview, every single debate, and every single smear ad.

Plus, adversaries will go over his clemencies/pardons with a fine toothed comb.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

He is dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/1...pect-dead.html

wooooooohoooooooooo

[T@T]

"As the officer was drawing his gun, the suspect reached into his waist area and moved," the police statement said. "The officer fired several times, striking the suspect at least twice." He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Alrighty then!
Moral of the story, don't scratch an itch when your wanted for killing cops.

Authorities said they regretted the shooting death but are glad the two-day ordeal is over.

Sure

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

He is dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/1...pect-dead.html

That former Governor should be held responsible. If these politicians are going to over ride the justices system and let these psychopaths out, they should be held responsible if they committ another criminal act. At the bottom of the CBC article Huckabee blames the Justice System and not himself. Typical.

There's nothing much that can be done legally as it's well within the Governor's power to pardon and commute sentences.

[metallicat]

I just read an article on yahoo news, and it said that the Seattle cop who shot and killed Clemmons sensed movement behind him as he sat in his patrol car, and jumped out to find Clemmons going for a gun. That close to having a fifth cop killed by this guy.

[Art Vandelay]

Too bad this guy wasn't having coffee at that table too.

[metallicat]

That's a brutally cold and heartless thing to say Vandelay.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

That's a brutally cold and heartless thing to say Vandelay.

The guy is directly responsible for 2 deaths and is doing whatever he can to avoid responsibility. Whats to say he won't kill again? I dont think he deserves to walk the streets with the rest of us.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

The guy is directly responsible for 2 deaths and is doing whatever he can to avoid responsibility. Whats to say he won't kill again? I dont think he deserves to walk the streets with the rest of us.

To me wishing him dead is a whole other story though.

The guy who killed the cops, I'd prefer that he was sitting in front of a judge today.

This cop in B.C., he's going to be sitting in front of a judge soon. I'd rather he was alive to face his accusers.