The difference between civilization and primitivism

[TheU]

I'm just going to check out of this thread now, too many bleeding hearts taking offense on behalf of other people hunting and murdering albinos lmao

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by peter12

Plenty of liberal self-hate and feather ruffling going on here without approach the essential question of ..."what happens in a society to condone behaviour like this."

Any state intervention would be useless, the albinos have to go into hiding because the culture sees them as some sort of magical talisman.

Why?

Colonials from 100 years ago? BS.

If you think that colonial history has little impact on the current state in Africa today you're kidding yourself. That is like saying that Russian Revolution has no impact on modern Russia. Or that the American Civil war didn't have repercussions we're still feeling today.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TheU

I'm just going to check out of this thread now, too many bleeding hearts taking offense on behalf of other people hunting and murdering albinos lmao

You were the one who started painting broad strokes on a whole continent that was raped a pillaged for centuries.

[TheU]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You were the one who started painting broad strokes on a whole continent that was raped a pillaged for centuries.

Don't try and suck me back in. Africa is a waking nightmare for humanity right now, like it or not

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yes it's obvious that they are genetically inferior. We get it, you think people here are smarter, faster, stronger, etc. etc. Fact is, you have painted a continent of 1 billion + people with the same brush.

Also, theres only a few people responsible for Civil Rights and Progressive Thinking in the modern age, and it sure as hell isn't peopel like you.

Cute bypass. I said it's about the culture.

And to be fair, the Civil Rights movement had nothing to do with progressivism. MLK used something called the Constitution. You know that "all men are created equal business?" Those are traditional American values that he appealed to in order to free millions of people from virtual slavery. So yes, it is because of people like me.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by peter12

Plenty of liberal self-hate and feather ruffling going on here without approach the essential question of ..."what happens in a society to condone behaviour like this."

Any state intervention would be useless, the albinos have to go into hiding because the culture sees them as some sort of magical talisman.

Why?

Colonials from 100 years ago? BS.

You act like "colonials from 100 years ago" were just a blip on the radar and should be easy to forget. There are widespread issues that have occured thanks to Africa's colonial past. Its not as simple as forgetting it and moving on.

State intervention is difficult because most African states have unstable or corrupt leadership. Is that a result of colonialism? You bet.

Its also about having the infrastructure to educate the population. Again, something not prevalent in most African countries. Why not? You guessed it. Also, the corrupt governments probably want to perpetuate this behaviour because it keeps the population scared, weak, and easier to control.

But yeah, its just liberal guilt.



You are out to lunch if you think the colonial past of Africa hasn't presented a multitude of problems.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TheU

Don't try and suck me back in. Africa is a waking nightmare for humanity right now, like it or not

Well we can agree on that. You just implied that it is mess because of getting the short end of the 'evolutionary' stick. I come at it from a more systematic and historical perspective as opposed to biology.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by peter12

Cute bypass. I said it's about the culture.

And to be fair, the Civil Rights movement had nothing to do with progressivism. MLK used something called the Constitution. You know that "all men are created equal business?" Those are traditional American values that he appealed to in order to free millions of people from virtual slavery. So yes, it is because of people like me.

Yeah what a wonderful Constitution, written when Slavery and Segregation and Sexism were the rule of the day, but supposedly wanted everyone to be treated equally.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah what a wonderful Constitution, written when Slavery and Segregation and Sexism were the rule of the day, but supposedly wanted everyone to be treated equally.

There are dozens of modern historians who have accounted that the entire American revolution was a power grab by a few fed up aristocrats and wealthy landowners.

Historical revisionism is a total load of crap and has been shown up as such by classical historians.

That good old Constitution is the reason why women, blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc... didn't need to be written into it. The fact that nations built upon the foundation of liberty and freedom are mankind's best and last hope is a complete testament to their power.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah what a wonderful Constitution, written when Slavery and Segregation and Sexism were the rule of the day, but supposedly wanted everyone to be treated equally.

Treated equally? What is this garbage? We can't create a utopia but have to engage in life and create our present. Nietzsche was right, people like you are the last man. Blinking slowly as time sweeps us along, using only one's smugness and self-satisfaction with their own meager ideas of what progress is without engaging with the actual struggle of humanity.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by peter12

Historical revisionism is a total load of crap and has been shown up as such by classical historians.

That good old Constitution is the reason why women, blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc... didn't need to be written into it. The fact that nations built upon the foundation of liberty and freedom are mankind's best and last hope is a complete testament to their power.

Seriously, North American dominance will be a chapter in world history in a few centuries.

No empire is eternal, and no culture will perpetually tolerate others that believe they know better than theirs.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by peter12

Historical revisionism is a total load of crap and has been shown up as such by classical historians.

That good old Constitution is the reason why women, blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc... didn't need to be written into it. The fact that nations built upon the foundation of liberty and freedom are mankind's best and last hope is a complete testament to their power.

Classical historians? Big fan of Anglo-centric Master Narratives are we?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by peter12

Treated equally? What is this garbage? We can't create a utopia but have to engage in life and create our present. Nietzsche was right, people like you are the last man. Blinking slowly as time sweeps us along, using only one's smugness and self-satisfaction with their own meager ideas of what progress is without engaging with the actual struggle of humanity.

Yes, poetic words from one of the last true Sexists.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Seriously, North American dominance will be a chapter in world history in a few centuries.

No empire is eternal, and culture will perpetually tolerate others that believe they know better than theirs.

I think the Carthaginians must have said something like this about the Romans.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Classical historians? Big fan of Anglo-centric Master Narratives are we?

Better than Cultural Relativist who specialize in cheap identity politics.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Igottago

You act like "colonials from 100 years ago" were just a blip on the radar and should be easy to forget. There are widespread issues that have occured thanks to Africa's colonial past. Its not as simple as forgetting it and moving on.

State intervention is difficult because most African states have unstable or corrupt leadership. Is that a result of colonialism? You bet.

Its also about having the infrastructure to educate the population. Again, something not prevalent in most African countries. Why not? You guessed it. Also, the corrupt governments probably want to perpetuate this behaviour because it keeps the population scared, weak, and easier to control.

But yeah, its just liberal guilt.



You are out to lunch if you think the colonial past of Africa hasn't presented a multitude of problems.

I'm out to lunch because I don't think that institutionalized victimhood is a good way to solve a continent's glaring problems?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by peter12

Better than Cultural Relativist who specialize in cheap identity politics.

Sure if you're White and choose to ignore the evils of Colonialism, and its far reaching impact on those that your definition of history forgot.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Sure if your White and choose to ignore the evils of Colonialism, and its far reaching impact on those that your definition of history forgot.

What does being "white" have to do with it? Was Thucydides white?

What an absolute joke.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Igottago

You act like "colonials from 100 years ago" were just a blip on the radar and should be easy to forget. There are widespread issues that have occured thanks to Africa's colonial past. Its not as simple as forgetting it and moving on.

State intervention is difficult because most African states have unstable or corrupt leadership. Is that a result of colonialism? You bet.

Its also about having the infrastructure to educate the population. Again, something not prevalent in most African countries. Why not? You guessed it. Also, the corrupt governments probably want to perpetuate this behaviour because it keeps the population scared, weak, and easier to control.

But yeah, its just liberal guilt.



You are out to lunch if you think the colonial past of Africa hasn't presented a multitude of problems.

I don't think peter12 is disputing that colonial exploits have had long standing effects in Africa. What he's talking about is why does a modern culture condone an activity such as murdering and eating albinos for magical purposes. None of the parent countries (England, France, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain etc.) promote cannibal cultures so why does certain parts of Africa? For this thread, I think people should just throw out the colonial effects entirely.

I think that the solution to strange activities (such as cannibalism) is education about the follies of these pursuits. Easier said than done, however, because an average African might not want to change their culture despite heaps of evidence that albinos are weird but definitely not magical. This issue is not so very different from traditional Chinese medicine, which often uses endangered animals and other strange items with minimal scientific evidence.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by peter12

I think the Carthaginians must have said something like this about the Romans.

Are you trying to tell me that the Romans still dominate?

We are experincing their cultural echoes and political structures, but they most certainly do not rule the world by any stretch.

Not to mention it still took three Punic wars to take out the Cathaginians. Not mention after the razing of Carthage the Roman general essentially predicted the fate of the Roman civilization.