Who's getting the H1N1 shot?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Shazam

A little prodding is usually enough to reveal people's true intent.

Well kudos to him for choosing an appropriate forum name from the get-go.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Wood

Not even the lizard people argument has convinced you?

When the lizard people start offing people for not getting the shot, then maybe I'll think about getting it

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by fotze

The bottom line comes down to the smartest people in society are telling us that there was a higher than normal risk and people much less smart are saying the opposite. sure there a few doctors here and there saying it is overblown, but even when you listen to what they say it is not in the realm of the dumb stuff being spouted. It is not to say the media and government played it up poorly. and no you aren't an evil prick if you choose not to get a shot, just like if you choose not to recycle as all of us are pretty insignificant as individuals.

Doctors are usually the smartest people in society, doesn't mean they get a free ride, as they can be totally arrogant, but all else being equal, I am going to trust their opinion over a high school grad, unless there is no proof to believe they are lying. anyone who has had a regular job at a place that employs more than 10 people will realize that any conspiracy that of which is being suggested is impossible and ridiculous, there are too many ######s and people with nothing to gain to participate in it.

They not only distrust established medicine (in favour of youtube videos), anti-vaccine people believe that the entire medical establishment is active in a massive, decades-long campaign of poisoning as many patients as they can get their hands on. They even poison themselves and their families.

They want to poison everybody. The motive behind this is unclear. I've read they do it for both financial gain and population control.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

They not only distrust established medicine (in favour of youtube videos), anti-vaccine people believe that the entire medical establishment is active in a massive, decades-long campaign of poisoning as many patients as they can get their hands on. They even poison themselves and their families.

They want to poison everybody. The motive behind this is unclear. I've read they do it for both financial gain and population control.

Once everyone is poisoned, thusly will come armageddon and the only the True Believers will be left standing, only to be paralyzed by Polio.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Got mine yesterday - similar experience as Reg - a 20 minute experience, 15 of which was waiting to see if I had a bad reaction.

I'm surprised how sore my shoulder is a day later. It's not really painful but just enough to be irritating.

I don't get the regular vaccine but I figured why take chances with this one.

That's actually the most common side effect and apparently it's worse than normal seasonal shots for most people. (Which I usually get because of my condition and I can verify.)

My arm was very sore for 3 days or so and noticibly sore for a week. It's finally gone now.

Course I will admit it can be different for anyone, and I will also say it didn't outright stop me form anything I needed to do. It was more of an inconvienance than a problem.

[Sluggo]

I typically just get a sore arm after a flu shot but this time it was like coming down with a normal flu with the arm pain radiating into my deltoids and neck. I can only imagine what the live H1N1 virus would of done to me.

[bootlegsaint]

i got mine last week and my arm and neck hurt for about three days.

i'm glad i decided to get it, though. mostly because i didn't have any side effects besides a sore arm.

[twotoner]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

I have actually reviewed some of the scientific literature in this area, as it is a part of my job to do so. I have a decade+ of post secondary training in medical sciences, the majority of which is spent examining other peoples scientific studies for validity, accuracy, and application. This means actually reading the original articles/studies with a critical eye, and making my own rational judgements on scientific merit. I have no reason to accept someone elses interpretation of findings, as I am perfectly capable of doing that myself.

I would appreciate your thoughts on these reports coming out the Ukraine:
http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html

[Incinerator]

Apparently 24 people have had anaphylaxis and one died since getting the shot...so more fuel to this discussion?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Dion

That's how I tend to view it. It seems like every public place I go there's a hand sanitiser hanging on the wall for people to use. Making people aware about the preventative measures is a good thing.

Having just spent a bunch of time at the hospital in the last while (see the "I hate Cancer" thread for why), I can say that it is virtually impossible to be more than 10 feet away from a hand sanitizing station.

Over a week at the hospital, I sanitized my hands so often that I think there was no flesh left on my hands - just the bones.

But seriously, I stopped using the stuff after the first few days, because my hands couldn't take it anymore.

Having been in the hospital regularly over that week, plus I know I've been around other people who almost certainly have had the virus in the time when they likely would have been contagious, I'm pretty sure the virus has gone through me already. Didn't even notice anything, maybe a runny nose for a day or two.

A sore arm for a day would have been far more annoying than getting the flu.

[metallicat]

Except most people who get the flu don't just have a runny nose for a day or two. They're stuck in bed, puking everything up that they eat. I'll take the sore arm I had for two days, than being off work for 7 days or whatever the quarantined time is.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

A sore arm for a day would have been far more annoying than getting the flu.

You do realize that if you do get H1N1, as a responsible employee/coworker, you'll miss a week of work, don't you?

This is best case scenario.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Having been in the hospital regularly over that week, plus I know I've been around other people who almost certainly have had the virus in the time when they likely would have been contagious, I'm pretty sure the virus has gone through me already. Didn't even notice anything, maybe a runny nose for a day or two.

A sore arm for a day would have been far more annoying than getting the flu.

Yeah I totally know what you mean. I walked through East Van once, where there were almost certainly people who had HIV when they were contagious, so its probably gone through me. I was totally fine, besides maybe a little eructation.

Wearing a condom for 2 minutes would have been far more of a nuisance than getting AIDS.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Incinerator

Apparently 24 people have had anaphylaxis and one died since getting the shot...so more fuel to this discussion?

Not really. More people get anaphylaxis/die each year from food allergies. If you expose someone to enough antigens, you'll uncover that nearly everybody is allergic to something.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Not really. More people get anaphylaxis/die each year from food allergies. If you expose someone to enough antigens, you'll uncover that nearly everybody is allergic to something.

Food allergies are irrelevant. It still doesn't change the fact that 24 people have had these reactions to the vaccine.
Bringing in a comparison to food allergies, is like saying more people die from car accidents than H1N1

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by twotoner

I would appreciate your thoughts on these reports coming out the Ukraine:
http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html

Are you wondering about the D225G marker? I'd say based on those reports that it's too early to assign any clinical relevance at the moment. Those reports are a case series, and are thus they are too small in sample size to draw a significant correlation between D225G and increased mortality/morbidity.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Food allergies are irrelevant. It still doesn't change the fact that 24 people have had these reactions to the vaccine.
Bringing in a comparison to food allergies, is like saying more people die from car accidents than H1N1

It's not irrelevant in terms of putting things into perspective, not to mention the anaphylactic reaction is exactly the same whether it be caused by food, tylenol, perfume, H1N1 vaccine or whatever. No one ever said allergies weren't a potential side effect, in fact its clearly stated, and its the reason why you are supposed to wait around 15 minutes following your injection so that we can manage it.

People always freak out whenever they hear "side effects", without actually considering the very low probabilties, cost-benefit ratio and appropriate perspective.

You're actually right in bringing up car accidents, in that people use those everyday despite the high risk of potential side effects, and yet this is never cause to not use the car in the first place. Why is there a 60+ pages in this forum mentally masturbating over the extremely low risk of vaccination side effects (the overwhelming majority of which are minor), and not to vehicular side effects considering the huge statistical discrepancy in terms of risk and prevelance? Because many people lack the perspective.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

A sore arm for a day would have been far more annoying than getting the flu.

I'm going to guess that you are aware that for the vast majority of the population H1N1 gives more than "the sniffles"?

If what I had was H1N1, I would have much preferred TWO sore arms... that was NOT fun and I didn't even have a fever that most people have.

[Tyler]

Just got my shot at South Calgary Health Centre. Was in and out in 20 minutes (including my 15 minutes wait after I got my shot). Arm isn't sore yet, but the nurse said it may be sore for a few days.

Good experience. Apparently they're not administering tamiflu anymore though.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I'm going to guess that you are aware that for the vast majority of the population H1N1 gives more than "the sniffles"?

If what I had was H1N1, I would have much preferred TWO sore arms... that was NOT fun and I didn't even have a fever that most people have.

I'm not saying my experience, is going to be like many other people's. I'm just saying that I've likely caught the virus already, and basically I've suffered no effects.