I think I saw a UFO tonight.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'd love for there to be aliens visiting us, it would give me great hope, well if they bothered to stop sneaking around and actually made contact with us

I don't know dude, the thought of aliens visiting us with the sole purpose of killing our cattle and abducting us so that they can ram objects up our rectums doesn't fill me with great hope.

More like bone melting blood chilling fear.

[photon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Allah is the same God as Christianity. Of course they'll say the same thing.

Not if you ask some Christians!

The two different religions propose different and mutually exclusive (depending on how they read things I guess) paths to God though. Plus all the other non-Abrahamic religions.

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

It's not a matter of people finding the correct God, it's their quest to find what they believe is the right way to worship him.

Which is an approach that I can respect. That's why I posed the question.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

To T@T, what is the definition of religion? Believing based on faith, yes, while science is believing based on evidence. To believe in the existence of aliens is belief based on faith. There is no difference at this point in time. Don't be so quick to dismiss others' belief in a creator God, as a result.

Since you asked:

what is the definition of religion?

Weakness!!

To believe in the existence of aliens is belief based on faith.

Since you didn't specify their existence on earth or just that they "probably" exist on earth or that there is a monstrous "probability" that they do exist. But I guess one could say the people that believe in the abductions,probings..etc it could be perceived as a form a faith.

Don't be so quick to dismiss others' belief in a creator God.

Sorry but the minute someone quotes a "god" without any substance(because they can't) it makes my hair stand up, I consider myself a good,caring,generous person to mankind,animals and the whole planet for that matter. religion is a bad subject for me, all I see is worldwide havoc/murder and destruction because of it and it has been that way for thousands of years.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'd love for there to be aliens visiting us, it would give me great hope, well if they bothered to stop sneaking around and actually made contact with us

I wouldn't. I am not mentally prepared to handle it. The only sensible option would be to start and contribute to wide spread panic as much as possible. Looting, destruction, civil disobedience and firing wildly into the air is the only possibility of daily life that I could conceive.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I wouldn't. I am not mentally prepared to handle it. The only sensible option would be to start and contribute to wide spread panic as much as possible. Looting, destruction, civil disobedience and firing wildly into the air is the only possibility of daily life that I could conceive.

lol so funny yet true.

Actually of the many reasons I'd like to make contact with another alien species, one of them is my morbid curiosity of how much panic there would be on earth.

[C-Life]

Originally Posted by T@T

religion is a bad subject for me, all I see is worldwide havoc/murder and destruction because of it and it has been that way for thousands of years.

Thank you.

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I wouldn't. I am not mentally prepared to handle it. The only sensible option would be to start and contribute to wide spread panic as much as possible. Looting, destruction, civil disobedience and firing wildly into the air is the only possibility of daily life that I could conceive.

Sounds like a religious war to me

Whos to say how people would react? If Obama were to come out and say, Aliens are real, they come in peace etc, there wouldnt be a lot less panic, then if they just randomly show up above cities.

Im in the group that believes we have already been contacted by aliens.

[amorak]

The internet - a safe haven for conspiracy theorists.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Sounds like a religious war to me

Whos to say how people would react? If Obama were to come out and say, Aliens are real, they come in peace etc, there wouldnt be a lot less panic, then if they just randomly show up above cities.

Im in the group that believes we have already been contacted by aliens.

I'm curious, serious question, if they have contacted us who have they contacted and why haven't they revealed themselves or been revealed?

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm curious, serious question, if they have contacted us who have they contacted and why haven't they revealed themselves or been revealed?

There are tons of theories.

People at higher levels then those in the governments, is probably the most popular answer.

For why Aliens have not revealed themselves or been revealed there are also lots of theories. Perhaps they have an agreement with the higher ups.

Thats a pretty quick/non detailed answer.

[Thor]

Oh I know the theories, I'm just curious what you think is the plausible one.

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Thor

Oh I know the theories, I'm just curious what you think is the plausible one.

I dont really believe in one defined theory. With so many accounts, stories, reports, pictures, videos, etc, it can sometimes be hard to tell whats true and whats not true.

Although I 100 percent believe in the existance of alien life, that we have been visited by alien life and that some people on the earth know the details about them.

[Thor]

One of my best friends is a big alien buff and he's convinced that Alien's have contacted governments, are trying to facilitate their introduction.

Oddly enough he's adamantly against the idea of abductions, but very confident about the fact the aliens (he calls them greys) are here and in communication with select governments.

We have some interesting discussions, usually with him getting frustrated at my lack of open mindedness as he calls it lol.

Oh well, can't agree on everything.

[FlamesAddiction]

I believe there is life out there, but I am extremely pessimistic about ever being able to communicate with aliens directly.

I think the best we will ever do is to communicate remotely and indirectly through either transmissions on radio or other mediums, or through planted artifacts.

The sad thing is, considering how long it would take for even communication at the speed of light, there is a pretty good chance that by the time we find an advanced alien civilization, they will already be extinct.

The barriers are just too large to overcome in my opinion. First, there is the distance barrier, which in itself is enormous. Then there is the whole time-line issue. In a universe billions of years old, you would have to hope that the alien civilization evolved at the same time as us. Being off by even an astronomically short time, like a couple of millions years, would mean we would likely miss them. Species and civilizations on our planet only last for a very small moment when you consider the age of the universe. To have 2 existing at the same time and close together in such an old and vast expanse, would take a lot of luck. I think we would be more likely to win the lottery and get struck by lightning simultaneously than we would be to meet an alien race.

And then there is the biggest obstacle in my view... even if we totally lucked out and there was an intelligent alien race close enough to us that we could find each other, there is no reason to think that we would ever be able to communicate. For all we know, they would communicate with scents and sound frequencies that we couldn't even hear, and perhaps their visual spectrum would be different (considering they would be from a different solar system). The way our vision evolved is strongly influenced by our sun.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I think it is extremely unlikely that we ever meet or communicate directly with aliens. Not that I don't think life doesn't exist on other planets... because I do.

[Biff]

Aliens absolutely are in contact with the earth. Their mooing agents have been among us for millenia...we just keep eating them.

[HPLovecraft]

So what happens if the aliens that are visiting us reveal themselves only to try and preach to us about their God?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Biff

Aliens absolutely are in contact with the earth. Their mooing agents have been among us for millenia...we just keep eating them.

Mice and dolphins don't moo.

But they sure are delicious.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So what happens if the aliens that are visiting us reveal themselves only to try and preach to us about their God?

lol no chance, they'll be militant atheists.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by photon

The real answer is those positions are too simplistic to accurately describe what's going on. I think you are being far too simple in your descriptions here.

Agreed.

This is incorrect. In fact when the big bang theory started to gain traction, many scientists had a distaste for it because it looked "more religious" than the previously held steady state theory. They didn't like it because it sounded too close to the creation account in Genesis! Yet they had to accept it because of the huge amount of evidence.

Can you provide a definition of the big bang (without looking)?

So it would have been OK if I thought 'God said Bang and it happened'? I was under the assumption that the Big Bang was when all matter was in one nice little ball and went supernova and spread becoming the universe, slowly forming other smaller balls of gas called stars and dirt into planets. I hope thats not to simple for your liking. Also because these debates always seem to happen with athiest/ agnostics I naturally assume that they are being posed as anti god theories. pardon me for sterotyping.

In science a theory doesn't mean an idea, it means a well supported set of concepts and such that explain a phenomenon, complete with confirmed predictions and explanatory power. Gravity is also a theory, do you distrust gravity in the same way?

Should I have said hypothesis?

There are hundreds of thousands of links in thousands of museums and Universities and research labs around the world. There's millions of links written in the genetic code of every organism. So yes, actually it has been discovered. What does evolution or the big bang have to do with God existing? Honestly, I'm curious.

As I said they are usually used as evidence against God so maybe I am just being defensive.

More Christians than not believe in God but also accept evolution. They are not mutually exclusive. I get the impression that you think they are and I'd like to know why.

More often than not evolution is used to back the non-theist view point. Pretty sure that was the point in this debate.

Who are you talking about here?

Not sure, losing track but it went back to how the pyramids are proof that there are aliens or something like that.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The sad thing is, considering how long it would take for even communication at the speed of light, there is a pretty good chance that by the time we find an advanced alien civilization, they will already be extinct.

The barriers are just too large to overcome in my opinion.

Speed of light is a barrier set up by humans and human science, that is our extreme in our bubble we live in.