Right. Maybe you should do some reading.That is your opinion. Not fact.
Ok, your personal facts seem to be the bible,If you want to debate it with me I'm more than willing, go ahead and throw me a bone! give me a story from the bible and I promiss I'll destroy it in 5 minutes.
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I'll stick to the bible, you stick to the pyramids.
Lets be clear, I never said that I believe aliens built the pyramids,(I don't) It's been proven the egyptians could do it with a lot of hard work and man power, all I said was at least the pyramids are a physical state that the alien believers can look at, all christians have is a book that was for the most part ripped off from the Sumerians and other ancient cultures.
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In a few years we'll each know who was right. No problem.
A part of me hopes I'm wrong and I'll somehow live forever (somewhere) but the biggest and smartest part of me says...it's just "lights out baby",was fun while it lasted.
Science is easy to believe, what you see is what you get. I don't have any problem with that. Man's studies in science seem to point towards inteligent design, God, with every new discovery.
If anything, science has more and more limited the role of God in explaining the laws of nature. A long time ago, it was believed that lightning happened when Zeus found his toilet paper folded over the wrong way. Now we know that lightning is nothing supernatural at all, but is a powerful static shock between charge differences in the atmosphere. Darwin's theory of natural selection provides a mechanism for the evolution of life free from any supernatural forces. Would you mind explaining where you get the idea that it's the other way around?
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However I won't use science to prove my existence as all of science's theories of creation and evolution are based on an assumption that something random happened but which can not be proven. Big Bang, missing link etc.
Random? How so? What about the big bang don't you like? What about missing links?
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If anything, science has more and more limited the role of God in explaining the laws of nature. A long time ago, it was believed that lightning happened when Zeus found his toilet paper folded over the wrong way. Now we know that lightning is nothing supernatural at all, but is a powerful static shock between charge differences in the atmosphere. Darwin's theory of natural selection provides a mechanism for the evolution of life free from any supernatural forces. Would you mind explaining where you get the idea that it's the other way around?
My opinion is that so many discoveries show that things are not random, but an actual design.
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Random? How so? What about the big bang don't you like? What about missing links?
There is no physical proof of a big bang. it is a theory nothing more. If you believe in that you have put your faith in a random event. Evolution has holes, there has to be a link from the little microbe and man as we are now. While it is postulated it has yet to be discovered. Look guys, I'm not trying to proove to you God exists, if you don't believe othing I say is going to change that, but I believe it and I try to follow His word. I don't believe in little green men, nor is there substantive proof that they exist, and that is what this was originally about.
I don't know why hostility. I asked a question, and the thread went kaboom!
The fact is if you don't want to believe in aliens, then your not going to believe in them. You won't believe so called 'proof' of their existence, and you won't care what other people say.
I believe in God. I am not trying to convince anyone here one way or the other. I know why I believe in Him, I have met Him and spend a lot of time with Him. You can think I am crazy, you can think what you want to think. I now whom I have believeth, as an old hymn goes.
You cannot convince me that there is no God, because I believe in God and His Son Yeshua, and I have seen the works that He has done in my life. There is nothing saying that you HAVE to believe, we all have free will.
Aliens and UFO's are things we don't understand. People are far more willing to accept them then the fact there is a living God. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Aliens are no more provable, and to me the evidence for a God far outweighs any evidence I have seen for aliens. That doesn't mean they don't exist, I just haven't been convinced they do. Same goes for God.
I believe there is far more that we don't understand, and I have said it before and I will say it agan, the arrogance and ignorance of mankind towards that which we don't understand and our capacity to think that we have it all figured out ultimately leads to our demise.
I don't claim to have it all figured out, I just know that God has proved Himself to me over and over, and I experience the life I have in Christ. I have never experienced anything from aliens, but I think that they may very well exist.
There is no physical proof of a big bang. it is a theory nothing more. If you believe in that you have put your faith in a random event.
The word "proof" is a bad one to use. Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. The keyword in science is evidence. There is plenty of evidence for the big bang. It was discovered about 80 years ago that the distances between galaxies is increasing. Hence, the universe is expanding. Run the clock backward far enough and you eventually get to a point where the universe is very, very small. "Big bang" more or less refers to the fact that the universe is expanding. Furthermore, it was theorized that under the big bang model, there would be a small amount of microwave radiation from the early universe present at all points in space. This cosmic microwave background radiation was discovered some years later, and is very great evidence for the big bang model of the universe.
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Evolution has holes, there has to be a link from the little microbe and man as we are now. While it is postulated it has yet to be discovered.
Here's a nice little clip from Carl Sagan's Cosmos to give you a general idea of the evolution from microbe to man:
My opinion is that so many discoveries show that things are not random, but an actual design. There is no physical proof of a big bang. it is a theory nothing more.
I fear you are using the word theory as in common language, not what its used for in the term theory of the big bang, germ theory, evolutionary theory, etc.. 'just a theory' is really silly to say, since the evidence for the big bang is so vast and clearly understood.
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If you believe in that you have put your faith in a random event. Evolution has holes, there has to be a link from the little microbe and man as we are now. While it is postulated it has yet to be discovered.
Its not faith, its looking at the evidence and following the evidence. We have very few 'holes' in the fossil record, considering the immensity of the time involved we'll always have a few missing points but to suggest the god of the gaps theory is rather silly.
We continually fill in gaps every year, this is a fact not a theory
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Look guys, I'm not trying to proove to you God exists, if you don't believe othing I say is going to change that, but I believe it and I try to follow His word. I don't believe in little green men, nor is there substantive proof that they exist, and that is what this was originally about.
Yeah this is getting off topic, but would like to mention the best way for us to deal with an issue of alien visitation, abductions, etc.. Is to use the scientific method, skeptical and rational reasoning.
I'd love for there to be aliens visiting us, it would give me great hope, well if they bothered to stop sneaking around and actually made contact with us
My opinion is that so many discoveries show that things are not random, but an actual design.
A snowflake has a specific shape, is that design? Or is it random?
The real answer is those positions are too simplistic to accurately describe what's going on. I think you are being far too simple in your descriptions here.
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There is no physical proof of a big bang.
This is incorrect. In fact when the big bang theory started to gain traction, many scientists had a distaste for it because it looked "more religious" than the previously held steady state theory. They didn't like it because it sounded too close to the creation account in Genesis! Yet they had to accept it because of the huge amount of evidence.
Can you provide a definition of the big bang (without looking)?
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it is a theory nothing more.
In science a theory doesn't mean an idea, it means a well supported set of concepts and such that explain a phenomenon, complete with confirmed predictions and explanatory power. Gravity is also a theory, do you distrust gravity in the same way?
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If you believe in that you have put your faith in a random event.
Says who?
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Evolution has holes, there has to be a link from the little microbe and man as we are now. While it is postulated it has yet to be discovered.
There are hundreds of thousands of links in thousands of museums and Universities and research labs around the world. There's millions of links written in the genetic code of every organism. So yes, actually it has been discovered.
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Look guys, I'm not trying to proove to you God exists, if you don't believe othing I say is going to change that, but I believe it and I try to follow His word.
What does evolution or the big bang have to do with God existing? Honestly, I'm curious.
More Christians than not believe in God but also accept evolution. They are not mutually exclusive. I get the impression that you think they are and I'd like to know why.
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I don't believe in little green men, nor is there substantive proof that they exist, and that is what this was originally about.
I agree that there isn't any proof, but again you seem to be talking about a group that doesn't exist... the only one in this thread that I think has said they think they do exist and are visiting us is FoxMulder91, and he hasn't said anything about God I don't think. Who are you talking about here?
Can you share this "evidence"? or is it just for you? seriously,maybe I want to believe but as in aliens in need the evidence or it's BS.
Please share!
I share hte evidence with others around me, it is hard to share it on the web, though I try to.
People think of God as an idea, as a being who we must obey, like a big policeman. Often we think that it is the same as believing in, well, aliens, or bigfoot.
How do you show your relationship with your friends, with your wife and or girlfriend? For me the evidence is in my relationship with Him. It is extremely personal. I have also seen that in others.
He has protected me from death, He has warned me and told me many things. That is right, I have a back and forth with God. For me that is evidence.
No, it isn't something that can be tested and measured by our means, but God is far greater then us. It is personal, it is relationship not religion, it is God loving man, not man trying to aspire to please a cold dead God.
It is something that we all must choose that we want to accept. a relationship with God through Yeshua His Son. That is where the proof is. I can show you, but it is hard to do so on the web. The web is very cold.
That probably isn't enough proof, but it is all the proof I need. When the almighty God is my best friend, there is no need for any other proof. You know when God speaks...
I believe there is far more that we don't understand, and I have said it before and I will say it agan, the arrogance and ignorance of mankind towards that which we don't understand and our capacity to think that we have it all figured out ultimately leads to our demise.
Couldn't agree more, thats why we need more promotion of science in this world, we need to be more curious about the world, our universe and our society can evolve without us growing to become technologically very advanced while so much of our planet is living in the dark when it comes to our understanding of technology.
This is why I love science, every day I get to read about new discoveries, and a constant flow of change and learning that makes it so vibrant and exciting to be a part of it.
I wish more people could see how cool science can be, even for people who follow it casually its all very inspiring and exciting.
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Aliens and UFO's are things we don't understand. People are far more willing to accept them then the fact there is a living God.
I highly doubt this, the number of people on the planet who believe in some kind of God far far outweighs the # of people who do not believe, so this statement seems impossible to me. If 8 out of 10 people believe in God, it's impossible for more people to accept aliens.
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Aliens are no more provable, and to me the evidence for a God far outweighs any evidence I have seen for aliens. That doesn't mean they don't exist, I just haven't been convinced they do. Same goes for God.
The existence of aliens can be demonstrated... if they exist, in principle it is possible for their existence to be demonstrated.
However most Christians take the position that God's cannot in principle be demonstrated; i.e. there will never be an experiment or situation in which God's existence can be demonstrated beyond doubt. Are you saying that God's existence COULD be demonstrated to anyone beyond doubt?
How do you show your relationship with your friends, with your wife and or girlfriend? For me the evidence is in my relationship with Him. It is extremely personal. I have also seen that in others.
He has protected me from death, He has warned me and told me many things. That is right, I have a back and forth with God. For me that is evidence.
No, it isn't something that can be tested and measured by our means, but God is far greater then us. It is personal, it is relationship not religion, it is God loving man, not man trying to aspire to please a cold dead God.
I know people who say the exact same thing about Allah, or other Gods of their religion, with the same conviction. So to someone who is trying to find God, or find the "correct" God, this doesn't have much weight. Unless God acts as all Gods for every religion, all of these people can't be right.
I'm a full believer in both God and Science... I don't know why it has to be one or the other. There is just so many philosophical things in life that Science can never explain for me. Science is great for explaining physical phenomenon but there are greater things in life that - for me - science can never get at. Why are we here? What is our purpose? Sure for many, its simply to live... fulfill our biological functions... then die and get buried in the ground. However, I believe there is more to living our lives than just being an organism who expects to just live and die.
I share hte evidence with others around me, it is hard to share it on the web, though I try to.
People think of God as an idea, as a being who we must obey, like a big policeman. Often we think that it is the same as believing in, well, aliens, or bigfoot.
How do you show your relationship with your friends, with your wife and or girlfriend? For me the evidence is in my relationship with Him. It is extremely personal. I have also seen that in others.
He has protected me from death, He has warned me and told me many things. That is right, I have a back and forth with God. For me that is evidence.
No, it isn't something that can be tested and measured by our means, but God is far greater then us. It is personal, it is relationship not religion, it is God loving man, not man trying to aspire to please a cold dead God.
It is something that we all must choose that we want to accept. a relationship with God through Yeshua His Son. That is where the proof is. I can show you, but it is hard to do so on the web. The web is very cold.
That probably isn't enough proof, but it is all the proof I need. When the almighty God is my best friend, there is no need for any other proof. You know when God speaks...
Alright then, I truly hope your time with your almighty god is peaceful and full of joy. If in the future things don't seem to be "working out" please PM me before you choose another way..I would be more than happy to help if I could.
I know people who say the exact same thing about Allah, or other Gods of their religion, with the same conviction. So to someone who is trying to find God, or find the "correct" God, this doesn't have much weight. Unless God acts as all Gods for every religion, all of these people can't be right.
Allah is the same God as Christianity. Of course they'll say the same thing.
It's not a matter of people finding the correct God, it's their quest to find what they believe is the right way to worship him.
To T@T, what is the definition of religion? Believing based on faith, yes, while science is believing based on evidence. To believe in the existence of aliens is belief based on faith. There is no difference at this point in time. Don't be so quick to dismiss others' belief in a creator God, as a result.
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