The YMCA gave my drivers license to some stranger!

[Jimmy Stang]

Everyone obviously has different levels of comfort with how their information is used. My biggest questions are:

- Why does a health club require that you give up your primary piece of photo ID?
- Is it even legal for them to require you to do so?

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by enthused

Good grief, I can't believe the amount of overreaction in this thread.

The employee made a mistake, IT HAPPENS. Yes, it was an unfortunate mistake as she gave the wrong drivers licence to the wrong person. But the original poster said that they tracked down who has his licence. Problem solved.

The employee does not in any way deserve to be fired over this, it was a simple mistake. And for those worried about the personal information that might be obtained from the drivers licence, you should be more worried about who's gathering your personal info right now as you're surfing the web.

OMG, I can't believe your overreaction to some people's overreaction. Calm down, stop shouting.

[Shazam]

Eau Claire YMCA is the only one in town that requires the DL, it seems. Drop-in at Crowfoot requires nothing.

In regards to privacy laws, although IANAL, the only real requirement is that they have a clear privacy policy. What the real issue is if they do anything with the information on your DL. If they do (or don't, even), then those usages need to explained in the policy.

[tete]

Shazam - that is true, but both FOIP and PIPA - I think the Y would fall under PIPA - must show that the collection of information is reasonable. Although the law is vague, I believe that the collection of driver's license info is unreasonable - you can verify info on the D/L but not collect the actual license itself and the license #. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner of AB came out with a ruling on this about a year ago - I'll see if I can find it.

I don't think she needs to be fired, but they do need to clean up their policies and procedures there.

ETA: Here's the finding - speaks more to the collection of info, not the actual license, but it can be interchanged.
http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm...D4C36F020.html

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by tete

Shazam - that is true, but both FOIP and PIPA - I think the Y would fall under PIPA - must show that the collection of information is reasonable. Although the law is vague, I believe that the collection of driver's license info is unreasonable - you can verify info on the D/L but not collect the actual license itself and the license #. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner of AB came out with a ruling on this about a year ago - I'll see if I can find it.

I don't think she needs to be fired, but they do need to clean up their policies and procedures there.

ETA: Here's the finding - speaks more to the collection of info, not the actual license, but it can be interchanged.
http://alberta.ca/home/NewsFrame.cfm...D4C36F020.html

I don't have time to read the ruling, so I'm no expert, but I'm not so certain that the info and the physical license can be interchanged.

As long as they aren't recording, or storing the info on the license then there shouldn't be an issue. All of those privacy laws are aimed at makine sure people/companies aren't collecting your information and disseminating it withouth your knowledge. If they take your license and keep it in a drawer as collateral for something (say a locker lock), I'd say that is a much different case than typing that info into a computer to track who has taken the lock. In fact, I'd say that it is a much less invasive policy.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Out of curiosity how much is a monthly membership at the Y? I've been to the Eau Claire one a couple of times via day passes, and it always seemed pretty nice.

Just check ymcacalgary.org.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by enthused

Good grief, I can't believe the amount of overreaction in this thread.

The employee made a mistake, IT HAPPENS. Yes, it was an unfortunate mistake as she gave the wrong drivers licence to the wrong person. But the original poster said that they tracked down who has his licence. Problem solved.

The employee does not in any way deserve to be fired over this, it was a simple mistake. And for those worried about the personal information that might be obtained from the drivers licence, you should be more worried about who's gathering your personal info right now as you're surfing the web.

Something like this should NEVER happen. How hard is it to match the face on the license to to person asking for it back? PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing - it's not that hard.

What if that license wasn't tracked down? Think of the inconvenience to the person of having to get another one and not being able to drive till they get it.

[tete]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I don't have time to read the ruling, so I'm no expert, but I'm not so certain that the info and the physical license can be interchanged.

As long as they aren't recording, or storing the info on the license then there shouldn't be an issue. All of those privacy laws are aimed at makine sure people/companies aren't collecting your information and disseminating it withouth your knowledge. If they take your license and keep it in a drawer as collateral for something (say a locker lock), I'd say that is a much different case than typing that info into a computer to track who has taken the lock. In fact, I'd say that it is a much less invasive policy.

Good point. Though one can argue they have not safeguarded the information sufficiently.

sorry this happened, kaddy.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Dion

Something like this should NEVER happen. How hard is it to match the face on the license to to person asking for it back? PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing - it's not that hard.

What if that license wasn't tracked down? Think of the inconvenience to the person of having to get another one and not being able to drive till they get it.

Wow chill out Dion. She made a mistake. I'm sure you've made a stupid mistake before. Wallets are lost/stolen all the time. What if the license wasn't tracked down? Then the OP would've got a new one. BFD.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Dion

Something like this should NEVER happen. How hard is it to match the face on the license to to person asking for it back? PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing - it's not that hard.

What if that license wasn't tracked down? Think of the inconvenience to the person of having to get another one and not being able to drive till they get it.

Nobody has said that it should happen, or that it's a small mistake, but things like this DO HAPPEN all the time. It's the equivalent to getting change for a ten instead of a twenty, it comes down to a clerk who doesn't care about their job and isn't paying attention to it even a little bit, or possibly someone who's overworked and simply gets things mixed up.

It shouldn't happen, but it does. I guarantee you that you've made mistakes at your job just like the rest of us.

[luloo]

I don't think this is AS big of a deal as people make it out to be and it would suck if the girl got fired over this esp. since the original poster got his DL back. Glad to hear that it worked out in the end and they managed to track your DL down.

[Kybosh]

I personally get pretty worked up about anything and everything I read on the internet.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

You're at least the second person to mention personal information.

Seriously, what personal information is there on a driver's license that is so important? Height? Weight? Eye colour? Whether or not the person need glasses to drive?

I'm not saying that the Y isn't obligated to keep your DL out of other strangers hands, but near as I can tell, the only piece of information on a DL that is somewhat private information is the DL number, and it's not like that is that useful of a piece of information.

I think the biggest thing isn't necessarily the information (though that obviously has different value for different people) but it is a piece of government ID that does have a photo on it...and trust me, not many people check the photo. I think that's why I'd be concerned if someone else had my drivers licence.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by valo403

It shouldn't happen, but it does. I guarantee you that you've made mistakes at your job just like the rest of us.

I've made plenty of mistake at jobs throughout my life. When it came to a persons identifaction or other such documentation I made sure it was given back to the right person.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wow chill out Dion. She made a mistake. I'm sure you've made a stupid mistake before. Wallets are lost/stolen all the time. What if the license wasn't tracked down? Then the OP would've got a new one. BFD.

I'm quite calm - thank you. Sure i've made mistakes but I sure didn't give someones identification to someone else. The OP having to get new identifaction would have been a needless hastle for the person.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Dion

I've made plenty of mistake at jobs throughout my life. When it came to a persons identifaction or other such documentation I made sure it was given back to the right person.

And how many pieces of ID did you handle on a daily basis?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm quite calm - thank you. Sure i've made mistakes but I sure didn't give someones identification to someone else. The OP having to get new identifaction would have been a needless hastle for the person.

So because you haven't made this exact mistake it's an unforgivable sin. I guarantee I haven't made some of the mistakes you've made, so by your logic you should be fired.

[enthused]

Originally Posted by Dion

Something like this should NEVER happen. How hard is it to match the face on the license to to person asking for it back? PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing - it's not that hard.

What if that license wasn't tracked down? Think of the inconvenience to the person of having to get another one and not being able to drive till they get it.

Mistakes happen. I'm sure you've made a ton of them.

Life is full of inconveniences. People lose their drivers licences all the time. People misplace important documents. It really isn't the end of the world, especially since in this case, the guy is actually getting his drivers licence back.

[7uongo]

Originally Posted by Dion

I've made plenty of mistake at jobs throughout my life. When it came to a persons identifaction or other such documentation I made sure it was given back to the right person.

you could say the same thing about money. When you worked at the bank while handling someone else's money, have you ever given change more or less than what they were supposed to have? have you ever keyed in the wrong number upon an entry?
accordingly to some people, especially bank employees, you should never make a mistake while handling their money

[Locke]

That bitch should burn in hell. Whore.