I noticed they have a clause that allows them to skip out on all group work that requires work outside of class. How ridiculous. I hope the three become social outcasts. Teamwork skills are so important, and it really does start in junior high or high school.
One last clause I have a huge issue with, is that the kids are supposed to seek help from the teachers. However, when are they going to do this without disrupting the rest of the class? Outside class time. If the kids aren't putting in any effort outside of the classroom, why should the teacher have to?
So in my 1.5 hour math class, once the bell rings, there should be no homework?
Most kids have to do numerous questions to latch onto a math concept.
In their contract the Kids must be prepared for quizes. So they must learn the required concepts. I was an "Advanced" student who did not need repetive learing to understand concepts and my marks were heavily penalized for my refusal to do homework.
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Maybe these parents can negotiate a contract with their kids' university as well. Perhaps if and when these kids become employed, the parents can whip out a contract and have the boss agree to "no nights or weekends".
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Um, when I take a job it's usually with the understanding of "no nights or weekends". If I do work a night or a weekend it's once in a blue moon due to very extenuating circumstances. A lack of resource planning on my boss' part is not my problem. If I have to work constant evenings to get the job done, then I've got the wrong job.
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Even at the high school level, you'd be hard pressed to find a kid who brings home more than an hour of homework per night.
Personally, when I give HW, it is only to reinforce concepts learned in class. It is not meant is 'busy work'.
Most teachers make it so that if students work in class, they can usually complete most of their homework without bringing any home.
If kids decide to goof off and mess around in class, then that's their choice.
I think that's the perfect attitude, but not all teachers are like that unfortunately. Most of my classes I could always finish my homework in class, but there was always a few teachers who, if they were teaching phys-ed, would get the students to dig a hole they could stand up in so they could fill it back up again. Or move a pile of dirt from one place to another.
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In their contract the Kids must be prepared for quizes. So they must learn the required concepts. I was an "Advanced" student who did not need repetive learing to understand concepts and my marks were heavily penalized for my refusal to do homework.
Do you think these three, who are crying about grade 3 homework, and another needed "countless hours of parental help to get through high school homework" are advanced students?
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In their contract the Kids must be prepared for quizes. So they must learn the required concepts. I was an "Advanced" student who did not need repetive learing to understand concepts and my marks were heavily penalized for my refusal to do homework.
Most math students aren't "advanced".
They need constant repetition to learn how to attack the problems.
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[quote=photon;2162184]Um, when I take a job it's usually with the understanding of "no nights or weekends". If I do work a night or a weekend it's once in a blue moon due to very extenuating circumstances. A lack of resource planning on my boss' part is not my problem. If I have to work constant evenings to get the job done, then I've got the wrong job.
Yes, but many professional occupations require extra time put in by the employee. In the end though, you're right that the amount of time you want to put into a job, is a personal choice.
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong but my understanding is they aren't being GRADED on anything outside of the classroom. You shouldn't be graded on getting your homework done. That doesn't prove you understand the concept, it proves that you can finish homework (or in many cases, copy off someone else).
I like this idea, giving marks for getting homework done is ridiculous. For those of you who say "what are these kids going to do when they get to university". Simply the same thing they do now. Spend time on things that they need work on and spend less time on things they already understand.
Studying smart is a far better skill to learn then studying hard, these kids are learning to prioritize early in life, which I think is great.
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The problem is with how we approach education, our new understanding of how our brain works gives us insight into how we should be teaching and how we actually learn.
The current education system is not suited to how our brain works, and this is a serious problem that is still not getting the attention it deserves. Hell the way we are at work is also not ideal, yet we are very slow to consider and implement changes.
Give this book a read or a few of his videos, there is a lot of information out there for what works and what doesn't this is a good introduction to many of our problems, like how we learn, male/female brains are different, and things such as multitasking is a myth (sorry drivers who text.)
Studying smart is a far better skill to learn then studying hard, these kids are learning to prioritize early in life, which I think is great.
I think you need to rethink what your priorities were when you were a preteen. The only lesson this is teaching them is 'if I don't want to do something, mommy and daddy will make it go away'.
I'm amazed how many people are feeling sorry for kids these days.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but my understanding is they aren't being GRADED on anything outside of the classroom. You shouldn't be graded on getting your homework done. That doesn't prove you understand the concept, it proves that you can finish homework (or in many cases, copy off someone else).
I like this idea, giving marks for getting homework done is ridiculous. For those of you who say "what are these kids going to do when they get to university". Simply the same thing they do now. Spend time on things that they need work on and spend less time on things they already understand.
Studying smart is a far better skill to learn then studying hard, these kids are learning to prioritize early in life, which I think is great.
The only thing these kids are learning is that if your parents fight the system hard enough, you can be lazy, and still be rewarded for it.
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This was a great article in TIME this week and I thought it was quite relevant to the topic in general. IMHO, more and more it seems that parents seem to be trying to fight battles for their children, offering them the path of least resistance. I'd argue that solving your own problems is one of the most quintessential skills a child can learn.
All great rebellions are born of private acts of civil disobedience that inspire rebel bands to plot together. And so there is now a new revolution under way, one aimed at rolling back the almost comical overprotectiveness and overinvestment of moms and dads. The insurgency goes by many names — slow parenting, simplicity parenting, free-range parenting — but the message is the same: Less is more; hovering is dangerous; failure is fruitful. You really want your children to succeed? Learn when to leave them alone. When you lighten up, they'll fly higher. We're often the ones who hold them down.
Some teachers talk of "Stealth Fighter Parents," who no longer hover constantly but can be counted on for a surgical strike just when the high school musical is being cast or the starting lineup chosen.
As for the family in question - sounds like they are educated and their kids will likely be too. But will the kids know about hard work, or will they wilt the 1st time their boss says "get it done by tomorrow...or else". I see those kids as three more casualties to the Entitlement Generation. What will they do once they hit University? Workout a homework plan with their Profs? I'd love to see them try that...
Not sure where you went to university, but I found that proposal to be incredibly easy to negotiate. 'How about I get this to you next week?' 'Deal'
Why are people saying they are being rewarded for being lazy?
IF they don't do the homework, and don't understand the concept, they will fail their tests. I don't see how giving them 3 hours of busy work a night on a subject that they fully grasp and then penalizing them for not doing it is remotely beneficial.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but my understanding is they aren't being GRADED on anything outside of the classroom. You shouldn't be graded on getting your homework done. That doesn't prove you understand the concept, it proves that you can finish homework (or in many cases, copy off someone else).
I like this idea, giving marks for getting homework done is ridiculous. For those of you who say "what are these kids going to do when they get to university". Simply the same thing they do now. Spend time on things that they need work on and spend less time on things they already understand.
Studying smart is a far better skill to learn then studying hard, these kids are learning to prioritize early in life, which I think is great.
Couldn't agree more. I can't even count the number of homework assignments I slapped together at the last second just to get the check mark because there was no need to do the actual work. Students should be graded on their ability to apply the lessons learned, not their ability to churn out a product. Obviously some students will need to do the extra work, but if you can get the result on lesson one you shouldn't be punished for not going through the motions on lessons 2-9.
There is no such thing as homework in University. If you don't do it, and you don't understand, you fail. No one checks.
Right, so it's best to build good study habits early.
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Right, so it's best to build good study habits early.
And as I've maintained, studying smart is better than studying hard. Should you teach a kid that spending 3 hours a night per subject is a good use of his/her time? Or should tell them that you have 6 hours to do homework, spend 4 on the one you don't understand, and 2 on the one you do?
Frankly, the fact that these parents are taking an active role in their child's education is a very good sign. It likely means they are helping their kids get tutoring in the subjects they need it in.
Right, so it's best to build good study habits early.
Exactly, such as not spending your time churning out product that you already have down at the expense of learning additional material.
Why should a student spend 2 hours doing math problems they already understand when they could be learning something else? Even if they spend that extra time playing Call of Duty there's no gain occurring, it's nothing more than busy work.
I'm all for the 100% testing model, at least for advanced students. I spent 3 years in courses where 100% of the grade was based on a single exam. Do your readings if you want, pay attention in class if you want, but you better be prepared on test day or you're screwed. I can't think of a better way to teach personal accountability.
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And as I've maintained, studying smart is better than studying hard. Should you teach a kid that spending 3 hours a night per subject is a good use of his/her time? Or should tell them that you have 6 hours to do homework, spend 4 on the one you don't understand, and 2 on the one you do?
Frankly, the fact that these parents are taking an active role in their child's education is a very good sign. It likely means they are helping their kids get tutoring in the subjects they need it in.
I have never seen a public school student get 3 hours of homework per night on a regular basis.
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Exactly, such as not spending your time churning out product that you already have down at the expense of learning additional material.
Why should a student spend 2 hours doing math problems they already understand when they could be learning something else? Even if they spend that extra time playing Call of Duty there's no gain occurring, it's nothing more than busy work.
I'm all for the 100% testing model, at least for advanced students. I spent 3 years in courses where 100% of the grade was based on a single exam. Do your readings if you want, pay attention in class if you want, but you better be prepared on test day or you're screwed. I can't think of a better way to teach personal accountability.
At a young age, kids don'
t have an innate sense of personal accountability. That's why they're forced to do homework.
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