CP Poker League - Next Event Fri. September 24th

[Coach]

id for sure be interested if the buy in was <$100

[VladtheImpaler]

Winner take-all for the WSOP bonus, but every tournament would pay roughly the top 10%, minimum top 2 I would say.

[jammies]

I would be in - once a month is enough for me, as I already play in another monthly tournament style game. Unfortunately my place is too small to accommodate more than 6-8 people, so I can't really help there.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Winner take-all for the WSOP bonus, but every tournament would pay roughly the top 10%, minimum top 2 I would say.

For 15 players, I'd say the top 4 or 5 should get paid, with first place taking half the prize pool.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

For 15 players, I'd say the top 4 or 5 should get paid, with first place taking half the prize pool.

1/2 X $50 X 15 X 0.75 = $281.25 - there is no point splitting that 4 ways. With only 15 people, I'd pay 3: 50-30-20. But, anyhow, that's not a big deal right now.
We seem to have quite a bit of interest. I think what I might do tomorrow is try to price out some space, since nobody is coming forward to offer their spacious mansion.
I just signed up with that homepokertour.com and will try to create a league, so I suggest everyone register with that website.
OK, I've created the CP Poker League, so see if you can all sign up for it...

[VladtheImpaler]

http://www.calgaryarea.com/facilitie...facilities.htm

Community hall rental is not as cheap as it used to be - it looks like a minimum of $100 for a tournament-length rental, and probably more. But I have not checked them all - perhaps someone can find a cheap one.

[Fire]

I might be interested.

[spydermal]

Also interested.

[First Lady]

I love poker....and hate to be a party pooper, but do your homework.



From AGLC:

Are poker tournaments in Alberta legal?

The AGLC, on behalf of the province, is responsible for licensing, regulating and monitoring charitable gaming activities in Alberta.
In addition to the requirements of the Criminal Code, gaming activities in Alberta must be conducted and managed in accordance with the Gaming and Liquor Act, the Gaming and Liquor Regulation and the AGLC’s Casino Terms and Conditions and Operating Guidelines.

The AGLC only licences eligible charities to conduct and manage casino events in licensed facilities. The AGLC will not licence individual poker tournaments or games to be conducted outside of licensed casino facilities. Under the Criminal Code of Canada, all forms of gambling, including poker, must comply with the specified qualifications set out in the Criminal Code. Any form of gaming that does not comply with the qualifications is illegal. Questions about whether a specific game or scheme is legal under the Criminal Code should be directed to a lawyer.

http://aglc.ca/gaming/faq.asp#IsPokerLegal



And from the Criminal Code:

Gaming and Betting

Keeping gaming or betting house
201. (1) Every one who keeps a common gaming house or common betting house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Person found in or owner permitting use
(2) Every one who

(a) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common gaming house or common betting house, or

(b) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier or agent, knowingly permits a place to be let or used for the purposes of a common gaming house or common betting house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

It goes on to list exemptions: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/2...rp13=50#idhit1


I am no lawyer (far, far from it) but my initial thoughts are it looks like it needs to be less than 10 people and no rake.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I love poker....and hate to be a party pooper, but do your homework.

I am no lawyer (far, far from it) but my initial thoughts are it looks like it needs to be less than 10 people and no rake.

Right, which is why there is no rake for the "house".
Though this probably does mean that it will be hard to get a community hall to rent to us, as they will not want the hassle of being associated with gambling activity.

[Playfair's Hairgel]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Right, which is why there is no rake for the "house".
Though this probably does mean that it will be hard to get a community hall to rent to us, as they will not want the hassle of being associated with gambling activity.

if we play at cash casino - they take $5.00 per player and 10% of your rake for the house charity.

they can accomodate however many players you need.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Playfair's Hairgel

if we play at cash casino - they take $5.00 per player and 10% of your rake for the house charity.

they can accomodate however many players you need.

I assume that's just for using their tables - no dealers? How does everyone feel about this option (or, for that matter, using any of the other casinos, since Cash is probably the scummiest )?

[Playfair's Hairgel]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I assume that's just for using their tables - no dealers? How does everyone feel about this option (or, for that matter, using any of the other casinos, since Cash is probably the scummiest )?

actually the $5.00 they take off each player is to pay for the dealers and use there tables

[Playfair's Hairgel]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I assume that's just for using their tables - no dealers? How does everyone feel about this option (or, for that matter, using any of the other casinos, since Cash is probably the scummiest )?

also other casinos charge alot more that is why i opted for cash!

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Playfair's Hairgel

actually the $5.00 they take off each player is to pay for the dealers and use there tables

also other casinos charge alot more that is why i opted for cash!

Really, dealers for $5/person? Are you a regular there? Now, 10% of the rake - I am not taking any rake for the "house", so do they want 10% of the prize pool + $5 pp, or would it just be $5 pp?

[Playfair's Hairgel]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Really, dealers for $5/person? Are you a regular there? Now, 10% of the rake - I am not taking any rake for the "house", so do they want 10% of the prize pool + $5 pp, or would it just be $5 pp?

actually 5 dollars per player goes to the casino for dealers and tables, and then the 10% of the rake is mandatory by alberta gaming and licencing - which goes the the charity that is operating on that given day.

havign said that, there is a slight modification

if your buy in is over 105$ i think they only take 3% for the charity.

for example if 10 players were playing at $50 per buy in, it would work out as following:

cash casino - $50.00 ($5.pp x 10)
leaves a prize pool of $450.00 out of which 10% goes to the chairty that is running on the day
which leaves a prize pool of $405.00

i hope this clears it up.

Ps i am not a regular anymore there, i prefer Deerfoot!

[SeeGeeWhy]

I'm very interested in my wife taking you all to the cleaners. Her income has been way down since going on mat leave.

[VladtheImpaler]

OK, so going to Cash Casino basically means a 19% rake at a $50 buy-in. On a buy-in of $105, the rake is 7.6% if Hairgel's info is correct. If we are only getting 10 people, we can obviously play at home.
This leaves us some choices:

1) Play at people's houses - whoever hosts a given event will announce how many they can accomodate (e.g. I can probably seat 14) and people sign up on a first come, first served basis, which in practice means a hardcore group of 6-8 that will show every time + a few extras who want to play any given week.

2) Play at Cash Casino and deal with the rake. If this is the option, I would personally want a higher buy-in, so that money goes to us instead of the house, but this is up for grabs. This choice is only good I think if 20+ people can commit to playing regularly.

3) Keep looking at other options - for example, does anyone have a large heated garage that can accomodate 2 or 3 tables? Does somebody have office space that can be used for this? Does somebody have other ideas?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I love poker....and hate to be a party pooper, but do your homework.



From AGLC:

Are poker tournaments in Alberta legal?

The AGLC, on behalf of the province, is responsible for licensing, regulating and monitoring charitable gaming activities in Alberta.
In addition to the requirements of the Criminal Code, gaming activities in Alberta must be conducted and managed in accordance with the Gaming and Liquor Act, the Gaming and Liquor Regulation and the AGLC’s Casino Terms and Conditions and Operating Guidelines.

The AGLC only licences eligible charities to conduct and manage casino events in licensed facilities. The AGLC will not licence individual poker tournaments or games to be conducted outside of licensed casino facilities. Under the Criminal Code of Canada, all forms of gambling, including poker, must comply with the specified qualifications set out in the Criminal Code. Any form of gaming that does not comply with the qualifications is illegal. Questions about whether a specific game or scheme is legal under the Criminal Code should be directed to a lawyer.

http://aglc.ca/gaming/faq.asp#IsPokerLegal



And from the Criminal Code:

Gaming and Betting

Keeping gaming or betting house
201. (1) Every one who keeps a common gaming house or common betting house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

Person found in or owner permitting use
(2) Every one who

(a) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common gaming house or common betting house, or

(b) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier or agent, knowingly permits a place to be let or used for the purposes of a common gaming house or common betting house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

It goes on to list exemptions: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/2...rp13=50#idhit1


I am no lawyer (far, far from it) but my initial thoughts are it looks like it needs to be less than 10 people and no rake.

Buzz kill.

My guess is that in practice, home poker games are not what this law is intended to stop--but illegal, for profit gambling operations being run without proper licensure. The amount of money we're talking about is so tiny that any official attention to it would be a vastly losing proposition.

In any case, I'm guessing many of the games will be under 10 people anyway. My feeling is that unless we're sure there will be 30 people, it doesn't make sense to take on the extra cost of renting a venue or putting up with the rake at a casino. Maybe the thing to do is to start a list of "interested" parties, and see what kind of numbers we're looking at. That list should include what level of buy-in you're comfortable with and how often you think you could play. That might be helpful information right off the bat--so we're not dealing in hypothetical numbers.

I could play once a month or so--I'm already in another monthly game, and I play rec hockey--so biweekly is just not going to fly with the missus (not even sure if another monthly game would!). I'd be comfortable at around 50 bucks--if it were 100 or more, I'd likely drop out--or perhaps only come once in a while.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Buzz kill.

My guess is that in practice, home poker games are not what this law is intended to stop--but illegal, for profit gambling operations being run without proper licensure. The amount of money we're talking about is so tiny that any official attention to it would be a vastly losing proposition.

In any case, I'm guessing many of the games will be under 10 people anyway. My feeling is that unless we're sure there will be 30 people, it doesn't make sense to take on the extra cost of renting a venue or putting up with the rake at a casino. Maybe the thing to do is to start a list of "interested" parties, and see what kind of numbers we're looking at. That list should include what level of buy-in you're comfortable with and how often you think you could play. That might be helpful information right off the bat--so we're not dealing in hypothetical numbers.

I could play once a month or so--I'm already in another monthly game, and I play rec hockey--so biweekly is just not going to fly with the missus (not even sure if another monthly game would!). I'd be comfortable at around 50 bucks--if it were 100 or more, I'd likely drop out--or perhaps only come once in a while.

This is my thought too. I would ask all interested parties to PM me their names and contact information, along with buy-in preferences, and then we can see about organizing the first get-together. Any volunteers to host the first one? I'm looking at you single types who don't need permission from your spouse...

P.S. I've also created a CP Poker League social group on here...